My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[be40isme]

Dimeline...

Let's make this clear. I would have crossed the picket line, I never had the opportunity too.

It takes more nuts to cross a picket line than to worship Beavis.

What you need is a good furlough so you can see the other side.

I use to think B19 was Tyler but B19 has over 600 posts. I dont think Tyler's got the brains to think that much into union retoric. My guess is B19 is someone from Ford and Harrison. 630 posts x 20 minutes = 210 billable hours. 210 billable hours @ $700 per hour = $147,000. Not bad filler for Ford and Harrison.

 

[fischman]

It doesn't take much brain power to post the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[netjetwife]

Nor guts to attack a pilot's wife for supporting her husband, his co-workers, and peers in the industry...

WORD TWISTING FUD SPINNERS DESERVE THE BLACK BOOT

 

[hawkercpt]

OMG. Inatead of worrying about important things, like the pilots out there that are without jobs, lets whine about the whole union, non union, scab crap. You morons have completely destroid these threads about Options and what is going on. No wonder I haven't been here in over a year. Grow up.

 

[SilverSurfer]

B19 and his enablers

Leave it to butthead Bob/B19 and the people on here that continue to respond to him to side track any subject to a union/non union tirade. When will they learn. :smash:

OMG. Inatead of worrying about important things, like the pilots out there that are without jobs, lets whine about the whole union, non union, scab crap. You morons have completely destroid these threads about Options and what is going on. No wonder I haven't been here in over a year. Grow up.

 

[learflyer]

The guy is not Bob Tyler unless someone can prove his posts come from the Cleveland area, otherwise I don't want to hear it!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Nor guts to attack a pilot's wife for supporting her husband, his co-workers, and peers in the industry...

WORD TWISTING FUD SPINNERS DESERVE THE BLACK BOOT

You are not just a pilots wife.

You are a staunch supporter of unions even though you have never worked in the industry nor belonged to one. When the union failed to give you what you wanted at AA, you bailed out and went to NJ.

You have destructive attitudes toward the aviation industry, such as your comment about Flight Options pilots "winning" rather than negotiating a contract. To you it's competition, not what is best for the pilots, the employees, the company and last but not least, the industry.

You support your husband as all wifes should, however your union support is based on the fact he is a union employee that is paid for work he does with the union. Your support goes directly into your pocket. The continued success of the union at NJ lines your personal wallet.

You have disrespected those employees that have chosen non-pilot careers.

You don't have any personal experience in the industry short of being a pilot's wife. That in itself is one reason to continue to point out dumb statements you make.

You are entitled to your opinions, I'm entitled to counteract your opinions by pointing out those statements you make that are counterproductive to the fractional industry.

I'm not attacking a pilot's wife, I'm attacking the flawed idealism exhibited by her. It would be anybody with the same lack of knowledge whom is so vocal with a personal agenda.

Oh, the continued reference to the black boots is hideous and disgusting.

 

[dime line]

You are not just a pilots wife.

You are a staunch supporter of unions even though you have never worked in the industry nor belonged to one. When the union failed to give you what you wanted at AA, you bailed out and went to NJ.

You have destructive attitudes toward the aviation industry, such as your comment about Flight Options pilots "winning" rather than negotiating a contract. To you it's competition, not what is best for the pilots, the employees, the company and last but not least, the industry.

You support your husband as all wifes should, however your union support is based on the fact he is a union employee that is paid for work he does with the union. Your support goes directly into your pocket. The continued success of the union at NJ lines your personal wallet.

You have disrespected those employees that have chosen non-pilot careers.

You don't have any personal experience in the industry short of being a pilot's wife. That in itself is one reason to continue to point out dumb statements you make.

You are entitled to your opinions, I'm entitled to counteract your opinions by pointing out those statements you make that are counterproductive to the fractional industry.

I'm not attacking a pilot's wife, I'm attacking the flawed idealism exhibited by her. It would be anybody with the same lack of knowledge whom is so vocal with a personal agenda.

Oh, the continued reference to the black boots is hideous and disgusting.

SCAB.....

 

[netjetwife]

OMG. Inatead of worrying about important things, like the pilots out there that are without jobs, lets whine about the whole union, non union, scab crap. You morons have completely destroid (Observation: misspelling a common word while calling others stupid destroyed your credibility.) these threads about Options and what is going on. No wonder I haven't been here in over a year. Your prerogative but you've missed a lot of supportive words posted for pilots without jobs. Grow up. Civil discourse is a sign of maturity notably lacking in your post.

HC, it is possible to post about an important topic like the necessity of a union and to be concerned about out of work pilots. My family made the first donation to the NJASAP-FLOPS Solidarity fund that was set up less than 24 hrs after those pilots were wrongfully terminated. I believe that some of the NJA pilots posting here also made a donation to that cause.

Unfortunately, the Options pilots have to fight for a contract against arrogant managers who lack integrity. Combating F&H FUD is part of the battle that can't be avoided. On the line, at the bargaining table and on this board it is necessary to defend the right to work under a contract. Union busters have no scruples and are paid to keep chipping away at morale. Those who stand up and fight back do so out of concern for their families and the well-being of the entire pilot group. I know for a fact that pilots posting on this board have donated thousands of dollars and countless hours of their free time (as my husband has) to 1108 so that pilots could win/achieve a fair contract during negotiations. Scope and job security are top priorities for 1108. So you are hard pressed to find pilots more concerned about their fellow crew members than those Union volunteers are. A strong union gives a pilot the best chance for a solid career and ensures fairness in the event of a furlough through rules built into a contract.

You posted to insult other pilots and those who like to stay informed, but I wonder what you personally have done to improve the situation?

 

[hawkercpt]

NJ wifee

1st Thanks for the english lesson. Your always right, I forgot.
2nd What have I done? Got 2 of the terminated pilots interviews and job offers.
3rd My point was that the post should be about the issues, not calling people scabs. I completely agree Flight Options managers are sneaky and underhanded. Thats the reason I left that place. I do wish well for all of the Options pilots who have been effected and those that remain in the aftermath.

 

[netjetwife]

1st Thanks for the english lesson. It was a helpful hint to use a spell-checker and proofread before posting. Your always right, I forgot. Hardly, but I can oblige if you want an English lesson... it's you're...as in you are...not "your" which is possessive... All in good fun, HC.
2nd What have I done? Got 2 of the terminated pilots interviews and job offers. That's great! I'm glad to hear you're a doer and not just a talker. But it doesn't mean that others aren't concerned and trying to help, too. That's what I was saying.
3rd My point was that the post should be about the issues, not calling people scabs. There have been many, many posts about the issues during your absence. Because you haven't visited the board in over a year you don't know how disgusted some members are over the FUD they have constantly been bombarded with for months. As one who has often been targeted by the word-twisting FUD-flinging B19, it's easy for me to be patient with their frustration. I completely agree Flight Options managers are sneaky and underhanded. Thats the reason I left that place. I do wish well for all of the Options pilots who have been effected and those that remain in the aftermath.

We share the same opinion about the FLOPS running the place and the same hopes for the Options pilots. We're not alone in that. Those thoughts have been shared many times by the frac folks posting here. I encourage you to visit the board more often to see that for yourself. Kudos to you for helping 2 of the unjustly fired pilots. NJW

 

[fischman]

You are not just a pilots wife.

.....and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[B19 Flyer]

.....and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

For one of the first times ever, you are right.

No matter how ignorant she is, she still and always will think she's more qualified than the rest of us that actually work in the industry and draw a paycheck. Nothing I write is going to change that.

I probably shouldn't repeat myself.

 

[netjetwife]

Exactly...sigh...ridiculous isn't it, Fisch? Apparently, if you speak up in defense of the legal right (enjoyed by millions) to work under a contract (BTW, what upper manager works without one these days?) you become a target of the likes of Fud and Harassment. In that regard, I'm in fine company with the Options pilots...

This whole "not just a pilot's wife" nonsense reminds me of a past funny post exchange I had with a poster who objected to me cheering on the NJ pilots in their negotiations. He insisted that I was only a NJ cheerleader. I explained that I was for all frac pilots trying to raise the bar and I signed my post Not Just a NJ Cheerleader. The guy totally missed the point that I cheer for other pilots, too, and kept insisting that I was ONLY a NJ cheerleader. He thought he was insulting me... I like being a staunch supporter of the Union that has done so much good for so many pilots and their families. (And at NJA for the company as a whole). Furthermore, I happen to think that the Options pilots could use more cheerleaders. So for the record...once again I'm gladly cheering from the sidelines for those I admire. NJW

THE FLTOPS PILOTS HOLD THE MORAL HIGH GROUND. THE SHEERINGA GANG SUNK TO A NEW LOW. WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

 

[Helmsalee]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

 

[Helmsalee]

Deleted dupe

 

[fischman]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

 

[fischman]

For one of the first times ever, you are right. I haven't been wrong yet.

I probably shouldn't repeat myself.

No. You shouldn't. And since you haven't typed ANYTHING new in several months, it is time to go away or come up with something to say.

 

[netjetwife]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

A very good reason we think. But it isn't discriminatory because all word-twisting, fud-flingers that refuse to let posters speak for themselves without constantly putting words in their mouth to the point that some call it stalking will likewise be ignored with equal forbearance.

Thanks to those who refrain from quoting FUD. If any of the rest of you are tired of slogging thru the FUD to have a civil discourse I suggest you use the ignore function to your advantage. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

Fisch, it has nothing to do with the thickness of one's skin, per say. It's a matter of using your time selectively and refusing to place those pushing FUD on an equal par with those who make posts worthy of reading and responding to. Your last post supports that position...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsalee
Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

I can solve this one...anyone who quotes B-19 (known TROLL) is equally a flame-baiting troll themselves and is to be put on ignore...starting with Fischman.

This place gets better and better with the trolls on ignore, I assure you.

 

[learflyer]

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

delete

 

[fischman]

Looks like Voice of Reason is thin skinned.

 

[brokeflyer]

b19 makes me laugh......she's probly just mad cause when she crossed the line she knew she'd never make as much money as I am now.....


AND IM LOVIN LIFE!!!!mmmuuhhahaa

 

[Publishers]

What she does not get is that the vast majority of corporte jet flying is done by small departments and small charter companies.
The only way NJ was ever a union company under the teamsters was the original connection with the railroad. Back then the had a real penchant for ex military flyers to deal with the quirks of the original Lears they flew.
Being an industry to themselves, they have the size and substance to have their own union as it made no sense for them to be part of some other national one.
Frankly though they are one of the only ones it would work for. The short version of the current situation is that everyone who works at Flight Options is actually blessed to some degree to have a job. If it had not been for the recent purchase by an investment company, it is likely that the company would have gone under and all would be out on the street at once. Would we have a happier group if that had happened, or they had terminated by some seniority formula, or any other way.
There is no scope or job security when a company fails. I know it will come as a surprise that the vast number of employers in this country do not lay off or furlough, they terminate. Each state is different, each company is different, each country is different. This whole debate should not be over union or non union but the sad state of a company in the toliet hoping nobody will hit the flush button.

 

[netjetwife]

Sounds like the same posts all over again... Publishers just changed the name from NJA to FltOps. He used to tell the NJ pilots not to rock the boat; just be happy you have a job, etc.etc. etc. What some here don't get is that frac pilots are sick and tired of having their skill exploited. They are tired of participating in a race to the bottom. I don't blame them one bit. If a company can't pay its pilots professional wages they shouldn't be in the aviation business. Pilots have expenses to meet and people depending on them to. They manage to meet their budget (some barely) and their creditors are not subsidizing them so it's wrong to expect professional pilots to prop up inept managers and/or enable corporate greed by working for less than the going rate. NJW

FRACTIONAL PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS RESPONSIBLE FOR LIVES
IT'S ONLY RIGHT THEY ARE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Y'Know, B19, I just got off this week from my first stint as a union volunteer at NJ.....

Guess what? I actually saw a pilot group and management that for the most part, worked together to achieve a common goal, long term success and company prosperity. I watched management and union officials work together to fix a problem that had arisen. I saw a vice president actually step out of a meeting to personally welcome a new volunteer and thank him for stepping up and sacrifing his personal time to help the cause!!! I've seen the pilots side of things before, now I have seen it from another perspective, and I still like it.

But, all unions are bad, and they destroy good things, right B19?

I told you before, B19, the argument you have tried for months now is the old way... and it is no longer the way..sorry to break it to you again.
Flops management has a choice, drop the ego and play nice with their employees, or face the alternative. They have the power to right this ship if they choose.
They might wanna hurry, though, the bridge is smoldering and the wind is picking up.


Now, unless you can come up with a more logical argument than what you have tried and frankly failed at conveying here....shaddup and git back in yer hole.

HiSpeed

 

[fischman]

Well said.

As a union volunteer, I have seen the very thing you are talking about as well. B19 will never understand.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Fisch, it has nothing to do with the thickness of one's skin, per say.

It's "per se." I know it's Latin and not English, but I thought I'd help you out.

 

[netjetwife]

HSF, congratulations and thanks! A strong union is only possible when there's an active, engaged membership standing behind good leadership. NJW