My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[netjetwife]

1st Thanks for the english lesson. It was a helpful hint to use a spell-checker and proofread before posting. Your always right, I forgot. Hardly, but I can oblige if you want an English lesson... it's you're...as in you are...not "your" which is possessive... All in good fun, HC.
2nd What have I done? Got 2 of the terminated pilots interviews and job offers. That's great! I'm glad to hear you're a doer and not just a talker. But it doesn't mean that others aren't concerned and trying to help, too. That's what I was saying.
3rd My point was that the post should be about the issues, not calling people scabs. There have been many, many posts about the issues during your absence. Because you haven't visited the board in over a year you don't know how disgusted some members are over the FUD they have constantly been bombarded with for months. As one who has often been targeted by the word-twisting FUD-flinging B19, it's easy for me to be patient with their frustration. I completely agree Flight Options managers are sneaky and underhanded. Thats the reason I left that place. I do wish well for all of the Options pilots who have been effected and those that remain in the aftermath.

We share the same opinion about the FLOPS running the place and the same hopes for the Options pilots. We're not alone in that. Those thoughts have been shared many times by the frac folks posting here. I encourage you to visit the board more often to see that for yourself. Kudos to you for helping 2 of the unjustly fired pilots. NJW

 

[fischman]

You are not just a pilots wife.

.....and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

 

[B19 Flyer]

.....and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

For one of the first times ever, you are right.

No matter how ignorant she is, she still and always will think she's more qualified than the rest of us that actually work in the industry and draw a paycheck. Nothing I write is going to change that.

I probably shouldn't repeat myself.

 

[netjetwife]

Exactly...sigh...ridiculous isn't it, Fisch? Apparently, if you speak up in defense of the legal right (enjoyed by millions) to work under a contract (BTW, what upper manager works without one these days?) you become a target of the likes of Fud and Harassment. In that regard, I'm in fine company with the Options pilots...

This whole "not just a pilot's wife" nonsense reminds me of a past funny post exchange I had with a poster who objected to me cheering on the NJ pilots in their negotiations. He insisted that I was only a NJ cheerleader. I explained that I was for all frac pilots trying to raise the bar and I signed my post Not Just a NJ Cheerleader. The guy totally missed the point that I cheer for other pilots, too, and kept insisting that I was ONLY a NJ cheerleader. He thought he was insulting me... I like being a staunch supporter of the Union that has done so much good for so many pilots and their families. (And at NJA for the company as a whole). Furthermore, I happen to think that the Options pilots could use more cheerleaders. So for the record...once again I'm gladly cheering from the sidelines for those I admire. NJW

THE FLTOPS PILOTS HOLD THE MORAL HIGH GROUND. THE SHEERINGA GANG SUNK TO A NEW LOW. WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

 

[Helmsalee]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

 

[Helmsalee]

Deleted dupe

 

[fischman]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

 

[fischman]

For one of the first times ever, you are right. I haven't been wrong yet.

I probably shouldn't repeat myself.

No. You shouldn't. And since you haven't typed ANYTHING new in several months, it is time to go away or come up with something to say.

 

[netjetwife]

Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

A very good reason we think. But it isn't discriminatory because all word-twisting, fud-flingers that refuse to let posters speak for themselves without constantly putting words in their mouth to the point that some call it stalking will likewise be ignored with equal forbearance.

Thanks to those who refrain from quoting FUD. If any of the rest of you are tired of slogging thru the FUD to have a civil discourse I suggest you use the ignore function to your advantage. NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

Fisch, it has nothing to do with the thickness of one's skin, per say. It's a matter of using your time selectively and refusing to place those pushing FUD on an equal par with those who make posts worthy of reading and responding to. Your last post supports that position...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmsalee
Dime, please don't quote B19. Many of us have him on ignore for a reason.

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

I can solve this one...anyone who quotes B-19 (known TROLL) is equally a flame-baiting troll themselves and is to be put on ignore...starting with Fischman.

This place gets better and better with the trolls on ignore, I assure you.

 

[learflyer]

Get over it. If you are that thin skinned, you don't belong on the internet.

delete

 

[fischman]

Looks like Voice of Reason is thin skinned.

 

[brokeflyer]

b19 makes me laugh......she's probly just mad cause when she crossed the line she knew she'd never make as much money as I am now.....


AND IM LOVIN LIFE!!!!mmmuuhhahaa

 

[Publishers]

What she does not get is that the vast majority of corporte jet flying is done by small departments and small charter companies.
The only way NJ was ever a union company under the teamsters was the original connection with the railroad. Back then the had a real penchant for ex military flyers to deal with the quirks of the original Lears they flew.
Being an industry to themselves, they have the size and substance to have their own union as it made no sense for them to be part of some other national one.
Frankly though they are one of the only ones it would work for. The short version of the current situation is that everyone who works at Flight Options is actually blessed to some degree to have a job. If it had not been for the recent purchase by an investment company, it is likely that the company would have gone under and all would be out on the street at once. Would we have a happier group if that had happened, or they had terminated by some seniority formula, or any other way.
There is no scope or job security when a company fails. I know it will come as a surprise that the vast number of employers in this country do not lay off or furlough, they terminate. Each state is different, each company is different, each country is different. This whole debate should not be over union or non union but the sad state of a company in the toliet hoping nobody will hit the flush button.

 

[netjetwife]

Sounds like the same posts all over again... Publishers just changed the name from NJA to FltOps. He used to tell the NJ pilots not to rock the boat; just be happy you have a job, etc.etc. etc. What some here don't get is that frac pilots are sick and tired of having their skill exploited. They are tired of participating in a race to the bottom. I don't blame them one bit. If a company can't pay its pilots professional wages they shouldn't be in the aviation business. Pilots have expenses to meet and people depending on them to. They manage to meet their budget (some barely) and their creditors are not subsidizing them so it's wrong to expect professional pilots to prop up inept managers and/or enable corporate greed by working for less than the going rate. NJW

FRACTIONAL PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS RESPONSIBLE FOR LIVES
IT'S ONLY RIGHT THEY ARE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Y'Know, B19, I just got off this week from my first stint as a union volunteer at NJ.....

Guess what? I actually saw a pilot group and management that for the most part, worked together to achieve a common goal, long term success and company prosperity. I watched management and union officials work together to fix a problem that had arisen. I saw a vice president actually step out of a meeting to personally welcome a new volunteer and thank him for stepping up and sacrifing his personal time to help the cause!!! I've seen the pilots side of things before, now I have seen it from another perspective, and I still like it.

But, all unions are bad, and they destroy good things, right B19?

I told you before, B19, the argument you have tried for months now is the old way... and it is no longer the way..sorry to break it to you again.
Flops management has a choice, drop the ego and play nice with their employees, or face the alternative. They have the power to right this ship if they choose.
They might wanna hurry, though, the bridge is smoldering and the wind is picking up.


Now, unless you can come up with a more logical argument than what you have tried and frankly failed at conveying here....shaddup and git back in yer hole.

HiSpeed

 

[fischman]

Well said.

As a union volunteer, I have seen the very thing you are talking about as well. B19 will never understand.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Fisch, it has nothing to do with the thickness of one's skin, per say.

It's "per se." I know it's Latin and not English, but I thought I'd help you out.

 

[netjetwife]

HSF, congratulations and thanks! A strong union is only possible when there's an active, engaged membership standing behind good leadership. NJW