My Last Post on Flight Info...

[rice]

Yeah, yeah. He'll be back.

I've been to Flightinfo rehab twice now and it still doesn't take. I really do try to just use the computer to surf the free porn sites but I just can't keep from coming back here.

(sound of slapping my arm to raise a vein...) TC

You sure that was your arm???

 

[Sctt@NJA]

And since I am a number posting mood. Here are my numbers as a Hawker PIC starting year 6 next month. Maybe it doesn't seem like a lot but compare it to what we have now...

This is 7/7 schedule, base salary, staying in the Hawker for the next 7 years compared to what i would make on our current contract.

NEW PAY OLD PAY

93,200 64,188
96,400 67,560
99,600 74,496
102,800 77,604
106,000 80,796
111,909 84,300
118,078 87,996

 

[Unleaded]

Man oh man i lost my whole post. Arrgh

Okay i'll try again. G200 and H25B a week ago you were thinking we were crazy to take it to a strike now you think we are crazy to accept the offer? I know its not the best but it's pretty damn good.

You're job is the best in aviation for You and my job is the best for me. Me personally want I want is tons and tons of time off. That is what is my goal. More time off with my family. For that i'm willing to give up some things such as pay.

It's important to me and my family to have the WHOLE summer off. What I usually do is take from June 1st to september 1st off. That's what is important to me.

I'm sure with your jobs you've had to give up something to get something else.

Can't we just agree to disagree?

 

[Pedro]

You're job is the best in aviation for You and my job is the best for me. Me personally want I want is tons and tons of time off. That is what is my goal....

Sorry man, couldn't resist picking on you...

 

[Unleaded]

Yeah i'm pretty much an idiot.

I'm not even going to bother to change it.

 

[squonk]

I've said this before on here and I still believe it. You will have to sit down and weigh the costs of NOT ratifying the TA because of XYZ or taking the money and go on with your life.

How much will we gain by voting it down, taking a delay and losing leverage for the busy holiday snowbird shuffle. Would we gain 23-50k (Base salary plus 20k in retro, roughly for the 5-7 yr bubble) more.

It is all in what you have the stomach to fight for. It still intrigues me that there is no one on here spinning for the company. Too much champagne flowing in Woodbridge perhaps?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Unleaded

Hey Bud,

Like I said, congrats if you feel you have won. Thats good.

I was not even going to comment other than "good for you!" until one of your tools (stickshaker) brought me into it all giddy about 90K after 5-10 years with the company.....he wanted to show me!, rub my face in the big bucks TA you guys fought for .

so....dikshaker really WANTED me to comment - and I did.

IMHO, you guys got played, and played real bad.

But again, you seem happy, and thats ALL that matters. I fully agree that liking your job and having a lot of time off is FAR more important than money. I fly approx. 300 hrs a year, average 10-15 days a month, and get lots of vacation....I dont make huge money at all but wouldn't trade more pay for less QOL. We agree on that....I think thats healthy for families, works for me, etc...

however, I could never work for Netjet wages, sorry, not your old wages OR your new wages....not unless I had NO other choice -- then I would aim to leave aviation. But thats just me.

Its your job, not mine - glad to hear it works well for you.

any progress is progress.

 

[Unleaded]

g200 commenting and then adding insults is what got you the answer from stickshaker.

Don't say good for you then spit on my face.

It's patronizing.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Like I said, congrats if you feel you have won. Thats good.

Sounds like you must have a pretty good job if our payscale looks so low to you. Care to share your pay? Ours is out in the open for all to see.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Sounds like you must have a pretty good job if our payscale looks so low to you. Care to share your pay? Ours is out in the open for all to see.

NBAA average for equipment....aka low for the area.

but still a great job.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

g200 commenting and then adding insults is what got you the answer from stickshaker.

Don't say good for you then spit on my face.

It's patronizing.

read the thread, I never said a word until stickshaker asked me. Then I introduced him to reality.

Dont cry Unleaded, it aint that bad.

:crying:

 

[Unleaded]

I'm not crying. I'm telling you to your face it's insulting.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I'm not crying. I'm telling you to your face it's insulting.

As a Netjet pilot about to vote "hell YES" you dont know insulting from a hole in the ground.

 

[Unleaded]

I haven't decided how to vote but I will say it's my vote.

It's easy to stand on the sidelines and throw stones and make comments.

Of course some people just enjoy being a pita.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I haven't decided how to vote but I will say it's my vote.

It's easy to stand on the sidelines and throw stones and make comments.

Of course some people just enjoy being a pita.

puhhlease....that POS is going to pass with flying colors! -- too many stickshakers in the mix....


we will leave it at that I suppose, agree to disagree.

 

[Stickshaker]

Gulfsteam 200,
I think you said


"Dont be over-impressed by Warren Buffett and think HIS billions are going to improve YOUR life as a pilot!!!...I have worked for bankrupt charter dump outfits that paid 2X as much....."

Well, I think my life as a pilot just improved, YOU think?
Also, do you still know any bankrupt charter dump outfits that pay 2X as much?
That would be 180K's/yr to fly the Ultra......

Gulfstream, Gulfstream, Gulfstream,

Thank you so much, Your proving the point of my post.
First, you said

until one of your tools (stickshaker) brought me into it all giddy about 90K after 5-10 years with the company.....he wanted to show me!, rub my face in the big bucks TA you guys fought for .

Look above, did I say I was "giddy", NO I did not. Did I say it was big bucks, NO I did not. I just said it improved.

so....dikshaker really WANTED me to comment - and I did.

Did I act unprofessional and call you names, NO I did not.
Did I ask you to comment, NO I did not.

You see Mr Gulfstream 200, I wanted to remind you that your bitter and true unhappiness is obvious from your words. I'm not sure why your not happy, but I can tell you that I am. Happiness does not come from how much money you make, how many days off you have, what you fly or belittling people. It comes from your core values in life.
I myself once worked for a part 91 corporate flight department. I'm fully aware of the advantages and disadvantages, from both our jobs. I dont want to debate that.
Why do you feel it necesarry to spend so much time on the fractional board belittling other people. There is a corporate board for you.

Do I have the best job in the world, No I don't. But I do have the best job for me.

 

[flyfish]

NBAA average for equipment....aka low for the area.

but still a great job.

G200,

Very simply, I would put my pay, and my schedule, up against yours any day. When that was done, I guarantee I would not trade my job for yours. Any questions?

Now, I think your time would be better spent taking care of your 1 owner so he doesn't decide to sell your jet on a whim.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Netjets is still the best place to work in aviation, and now its been made a lot better by the efforts of people like Family Guy who work around the clock to come up with agreements at 1:00 am in the morning after a Friday night of negotiations. I ask my fellow peers to temper their responses. Management was not perfect in these negotiations, but neither were we.
Hawkered

Out!

And good riddance....So entertaining though...:laugh:...LMFAO at YOU !!!

 

[TurboHonda]

NBAA average for equipment....aka low for the area.

but still a great job.

Gulfstream 200, I can't take my eyes off of your avatar. Please tell me that is a self portrait, cause I think I know you. Were you in SFO the night of 10/8 and the morning of 10/9?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

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[SeaSpray]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkered
This vehicle of coimmunication has proved invaluable in tempering some of the hostility that resulted from our long negotiations over the last four and a half years. The time has come for me to move on and leave the pacification to other cool heads.

Yes, time to go back to the IBT office and not "play" angry netjets pilot

To all the people that posted that weren't at NJA/NJI.

Some of you had some good things to say, some of you are obviously threatened by the industry behemoth that is now NJA. The factory moves at 500 mph...move with the speed of the industry, or you will be meeting your new replacements soon!

OMG... I think I just broke a rib:laugh:
...And here I always thought RAYTHEON was "the factory"...silly me! The only "behemoth" is the IBT expense account, courtesy of the netjets pilots

To those that want to come to NJA.

www.netjets.com

:laugh: Oh gahd... No more, please stop :laugh:

Sincerely,

Hawkered

Out!

As they say... "buh-bye" now...good luck screwing over the next group of pilots. :smash:

Right on the money...and funny! I thought I was the only one that saw Hawkered was nothing more than a union shill flacking for the Teamsters. He showed up in September 2004 and immediately started trying to foment discontent in the NJA pilot group. Notice that none of the line pilots knew him; they thought he must have been a converted management type. Good job "outing" him.

 

[Grizz]

We never saw "Hawkered" as a real union pilot. Most of our screen names on flightinfo are pretty well known in our own ranks and he never fit the bill. 239 posts since last September when things got contentious. Most of them leaning ever so slightly toward the pilots as being unreasonable, the Teamsters as being untrustworthy, la la la.

Sorry Hawkered. We never bought it.

 

[squonk]

We never saw "Hawkered" as a real union pilot. Most of our screen names on flightinfo are pretty well known in our own ranks and he never fit the bill. 239 posts since last September when things got contentious. Most of them leaning ever so slightly toward the pilots as being unreasonable, the Teamsters as being untrustworthy, la la la.

Sorry Hawkered. We never bought it.

I agree. We ain't buying it. With post like this:

Originally posted by Hawkered:

I want to thank the negotiating team, the MEC, the support of our fellow pilots and yes...even Family Guy.

Family Guy put endless hours in on the board, providing a balance between the points of view that were being expressed. He did it late into the night and showed us all that there really are people in management that are devoted to a successful turn of events.

His posts ran 2:1 for the company. Now that the tide is slowly going out on this TA, I bet we see more activity from the moles on this board. I have missed them so!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Now that the tide is slowly going out on this TA, I bet we see more activity from the moles on this board. I have missed them so!

Huh?

 

[squonk]

Huh?

Now that the initial euphoria has worn off, people are actually reading the TA and finding some faults. Not saying it's not going to pass, but I think there will be a sizable no vote. Mark my words, if the tide really starts to turn against the TA, you will see the return of the mysteriously absent mole men.