My AA jumpseater

[Cpt Oveur]

You may have not noticed but its not the Capt's J/S anymore. Just ask the company or union...

Jumpseat agreements may be made by pilot groups and regulated by management, but when did the jumpseat not belong to the Captain? I always make a point to ask "Can I sit on your jumpseat up to LGA?" I've seen quite a few companies' policies up close and personal, and the gate agent might run the gate, but the captain ALWAYS has the final say as to IF said jumpseater actually gets on. Jumpseat priorities and giving the seat to the wrong person is a whole other can of worms.

UAL/Express feel free to report how the war is going....

 

[aa73]

TV--I just call 'em like I see 'em. Besides, there's enough j@ckoffs out there, I don't need to go hunting for them.

AA73--Thanks for the compliment...I think. TC

You think correctomundo, senor!

 

[eatme]

macdu,

You definitely are not alone with your JS experience. Heck a lot of our own pilots here at UPS think that they are entitled to the jumpseat on company. One guy showed up late, in jeans and a T-shirt.... the captain didn't even notice his attire till we were in cruise and he still didn't say anything to him. I had a chat with Cappy about it at dinner that night and he said that he's going to pay closer attention to that kind of disrespect. I also love our management guys in their mid 20's that show up and think they own the jumpseat. Had a captain "educate" this management "kid' and booted him off the js a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes we all need to re-educate these apathetic souls about jumpseat etiquette. Heck... I know I'm a pee on in the right seat, but some of these jagoffs that don't even introduce themselves to the first officer. Thats when I make it a point to get out of my seat after they sit down and go introduce myself and shake their hands<---- politely.....

Someone said it on here earlier..... if we want to be looked at as professionals in this industry, then we have to act like professionals. Ain't that freaking hard when commuting on or off company.

Net

You have flight managers that are in their 20's?

 

[dojetdriver]

I usually start with a "knock, knock" at the cockpit door to get their attention if they are facing forward. Followed by an introduction of who I am, where I work, certificates/id/medical in left hand, and right hand extended to shake both pilot's hands while asking for a ride to work or home.

Same here, because it's the professional and courteous thing to do. After that, if I'm going to be in the front, I always follow up with "I believe it filled up in the back, is it OK if I ride up here?"

If the guy wants to be a bunghole about it, whatever. I was professional and respectful.

 

[Networ-King]

You have flight managers that are in their 20's?

No we have trolls here that get hired very young and get trained the " UPS " way as management personnel. Kind of like what United did with pilots in the 90's. They could be from any division of the company and they ride as priority 6 on the company jumpseat for business. One of these guys came on board and handed me his papers, didn't introduce himself to me or the captain and just sat down. Let me tell you how satisfying it is to have someone with the mentality of " take me to seattle now and I'll take my coffee black " still standing on the tarmac while we push without his sorry arse. The captain gave him a good lesson in humility and I'm pretty sure the little CEO wanna be learned his lesson...... for now. I guess there will be pilots out there that don't give a care and let the gate agents and ops personnel screen the jumpseater and not even bother. Not my style, but I guess it is what it is eeehhhh?

As a jumpseater I'm always polite and I offer my assistance. I also clean up after myself before leaving and I never leave without thanking the pilot(S) for the ride.........

Net

 

[Quimby]

I wonder if this is the same guy: A few years ago when I was a young green co-pilot we had an AA guy who came into the cockpit and said something like "I'm Joe Blow with AA." Captain says the "back is wide open, help yourself to a seat." AA guy says "no, I'm gonna sit up here today." Capt doesn't even look up from the weather brief he is reading and says "I don't think so, get off the jet." I think about that every time I politely ask for the js.

classic.:smash:

 

[EmeliaE]

As nice as you believe yourself to be, I'm thinking you should reconsider your position here. After all, you have determined that the professional response to this jumpseater's words is to send him packing. When did it become professional to respond negatively toward someone who is unprofessional? At that, were his words really so inappropriate?

Here he is, mind and body still awake on the backside of the clock, assuming he has a ride home. What's wrong with that? We all agree that the jumpseat is a privilege and not a right, but it is a privilege that has been handed out quite liberally. Why? Because professional pilots look out for one another!

We should remember that our companies are footing the bill, not us. So why would we hesitate in helping one another? At our discretion we can offer our bagel or roll, or something else that demonstrates our selflessness. But to hold the jumpseat above someone based on a poor greeting - that is an insecure and selfish act on your part sir.

Nicley said! Jump seat DOES NOT belong to the captain; she/he has the authority to deny/accept the request, but can't simply make and arbitrary decision to deny a jump seat. This board is all about pilots who try to offend others and then try to figure out how to 'get back' rather than figure out a good solution for a certain problem.

 

[Networ-King]

Nicley said! Jump seat DOES NOT belong to the captain; she/he has the authority to deny/accept the request, but can't simply make and arbitrary decision to deny a jump seat. This board is all about pilots who try to offend others and then try to figure out how to 'get back' rather than figure out a good solution for a certain problem.

Oh brother....

Another gate agent on a freaking power trip.... greeeaattt....

 

[Sy-bill]

So few act like this. Why make it a huge issue.

 

[EWR_FO]

Nicley said! Jump seat DOES NOT belong to the captain; she/he has the authority to deny/accept the request, but can't simply make and arbitrary decision to deny a jump seat.

Next time a captain makes a decision you don't agree with, make sure you let him know this. Let us know how it works out.

 

[MD80DRVR]

If you think the AA pilots are bad, you should see the AA F/A's.

"Hey I'm Jenny, I'll be in the back....."

 

[AC560]

Oh brother....

Another gate agent on a freaking power trip.... greeeaattt....

As opposed to another Captain on a trip about the seat. I don't fly for the airlines but boy you guys look like a bunch of petulant children discussing the topic.

 

[Networ-King]

As opposed to another Captain on a trip about the seat. I don't fly for the airlines but boy you guys look like a bunch of petulant children discussing the topic.

Since you don't work for the airlines then I'm gathering that you've never had to deal with either being a jumpseater or taking a jumpseater. It's real easy to be polite when asking for a FREE RIDE. All it takes is being a professional and using common sense. I have not seen ONE person be denied a jumpseat when using proper JS etiquette. However, I have seen guys denied the jumpseat when the jumpseater was rude or disrespectful to the crew or the guy was a scab <--- that one was ugly. Think what you will... this has nothing to do with using the jumpseat as a power trip. Heck...as long as you have the creds and don't act like a fu(king a$$hole the jumpseat is yours to ride. Otherwise enjoy the terminal and STFU and learn while you wait for the next ride.

As for acting like childern? I know you are, but what am I? You happy....... I mean with your vast amount of experience in your 750 hours you might tell us something about jumpseating.....eeehhh? Now move along till you have an idea of what the hell you're talking about.

Net

HHHMM... how much room does the JS have in the C320 anyways?

 

[Sy-bill]

I don't fly for the airlines but boy you guys look like a bunch of petulant children discussing the topic.

Why get involved with something you have no knowledge.

Back in the day I got turned away from a jumpseat because I was not wearing a tie. I felt embarrassed that I even tried knowing it was a rule but didn't think the Captain was an ass, just I should have known better.

The jumpseat should always be treated as a privilege. Not a right.

But I personally wouldn't get wrapped up with anyone going through the routine. I guess I don't need to get my a$$ ki$$ed.

 

[AC560]

Since you don't work for the airlines then I'm gathering that you've never had to deal with either being a jumpseater or taking a jumpseater. It's real easy to be polite when asking for a FREE RIDE.

I worked for the airlines on the dark management side, since departed. I got plenty of free rides, it was a perk of working for the airlines. That perk came from the company not the Captain.

There is certainly something to be said for being polite, that does carry both ways though.