Multi time building

[CaptO'Brien]

Hi i was considering saving up all summer to afford to do some multi time building at one of the flight schools that offers it for so cheap (like $60 an hour) whats the deal with these schools? how is it so cheap? is it looked down on by employers? ive heard that a couple people log time all in the same plane...hows that work? over all is doing this kinda thing really worth it? will it help me snag a multi job or will it just be a waste of my money? thanks..

 

[Kream926]

find a friend who has a twin....

 

[cforst513]

i heard about one of these schools in florida called Ari-Ben Aviator. do a search here. what you do is you get a twin with another pilot for like 6 hours or something, and if you pay for 100 hours, you are safety pilot for 50hrs and actually flying for the other 50 hours. do a search here for Ari-Ben and go to www.pprune.org (i think that's the URL) and there's a whole section devoted to this topic.

 

[Kream926]

http://www.aribenaviator.com/index.html?

 

[CaptO'Brien]

so if you go in on 100 hours and your saftey pilot you get to log 50 PIC and the other 50 as?

 

[Kream926]

pic, as long as one is "under" the hood, both can act as PIC as long as both have at least private in same cat. and class and a valid medical

 

[Fly_Chick]

Get experience in different types of aircraft if at all possible. This goes for the single engine as well as the multi. Different experiences will expand your knowledge and insight into flying and how aircraft perform.

Lets say you have 800 hours in a C152, 100 hours in an Arrow, and 100 hours in a Seminole. You meet the 1000/100 minimums.

Compare the knowledge you will have with 800 hours of single time in a combination of C140, C152, C172, Champ, cherokee 140, Warrior, Grumman, etc; 100 hours split between Arrow, RG, Mooney,etc; 100 hours in Duchess, Seminole, Seneca, Aztec, etc.

I do not know how it is perceived when interviewing if you fly just one type of plane. I know the benefits of flying different types of planes will greatly enhance your knowledge and understanding of CG, weight and balance, performance, systems, system failures, troubleshooting...

 

[BushwickBill]

Most jobs want you to have 100 multi. So lets say you get all your ratings and you now have about 30 multi engine hours, 15 for multi commercial and 15 for MEI. Its next to impossible to find a flight school that has a multi engine airplane you can teach in. So now you have to pay for another 70 hours of multi time. 7000 bucks at 100 an hour and even if you split it with your buddy its hard to find 200 dollar multi time on the west cost. Lets face it we are all screwed only ritch people will become pro pilots - just like europe. I have had my MEI and have only logged 3 hours teaching multi.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Get the MEI and try to teach some multi.

You won't learn crap just tooling around with both engines turning.

If you MUST split time, do LOTS of one-engine approaches. A LOT of them.

 

[joepilot29]

I am hoping to to Ari ben's 50 multi time build in about a week. That will get me to about 125 multi. One nice thing about being an MEI is I can log it all dual given instead of safety pilot. Hopefully they will not have a problem with that. I plan to use the expierence to get my actual time up and knock the dust off my instrument procedures. Gonna be approach after approach.

 

[HMR]

Lets face it we are all screwed only ritch people will become pro pilots - just like europe. I have had my MEI and have only logged 3 hours teaching multi.

You need to do a better job recruiting students. I was an instructor in SoCal a few years back. I got my MEI and gave 500hrs. dual in less than 18 months. I was at a school with 1 (sometimes 2) Duchess'. We had 15+ instructors all wrangling for multi-time and our rates were some of the highest in SoCal. I got my buddy a job there and now he's doing ~40hrs/month in the Duchess. It's not the school (the place sucks), it's his attitude and professionalism that keep him busy.

I don't have any problems with guys renting a twin to build time (and, hopefully, experience). I was fortunate I didn't have to spend money for multi-time since I was flat broke. FWIW-I learned more instructing guys how to fly Duchess', Senecas and King Airs than I ever did flying them myself.

Good Luck!!!

 

[BushwickBill]

Hey whats the name of that school...??? I've been networking like crazy. There are only 2 schools in northern california that have multi planes available. A buddy works and one of the schools and he never gets to fly it because no one wants multi training. The other school charged me for my interview ride without telling me they were going to and had 3 other instructors there who were desperate for work. I was expected to find my own students and I had the strong impression that you had to seriously pay your dues before you were allowed to instruct multi. Its not like I haven't been trying. My whole career is hinged on the multi thing. I jump on every oportunity but they are few and far between.

Help!

Thanks

 

[CaptO'Brien]

Is it hard to get a job as a MEI or even just start a job as an instructor? what happens if you dont get hired by your school to instruct? what other school is gonna want to hire an instructor from elsewhere when they have a ton of em going through their program every year? only thing is im not exatcly sure if i am the best teacher and if i instruct i want to be able to teach good enough to put good pilots into the industry...i know my stuff but i dont really know how well i can teach it to others. thats why i was thinkin of these time building programs for multi..i have 250 hours with a CPL, multi IFR but im gonna need more hours..even then i dont know if i can get onto a flying job cause i would only have about 350 with about 100-140 multi..so maybe instructing is the best way to go..still not sure what i want to do ...so many ways you can go in this industry i just want to pick the right route!

 

[casper1nine]

My whole career is hinged on the multi thing.

getting those hours can be as simple as coming up with a rather modest amount of money. hopefully your future and your career are hinged on something more significant than that.

-casper

 

[joepilot29]

Is it hard to get a job as a MEI or even just start a job as an instructor? what happens if you dont get hired by your school to instruct?

I wouldn't worry about not getting hired by your school. The school I went to did not hire me so I didn't get that "guarenteed interview." I can get the same interviews that they offered. There are instructing jobs to be had everywhere. Just have to look and be willing to relocate. I have instructed for awhile, been through one school going out of business and even relocated back to FL. I just need about 50 multi to put into the airline minimums range. I wouldn't sweat it. I didn't want to instruct, but I have actually enjoyed sometimes.