Multi time building

[CaptO'Brien]

Hey Casper..im trying to find that post on the "rouge v. professional" and i cant whats it all about? another question for you...one more problem i have is that i am American/Canadian citizen and have done all my training in Canada...the rules and procedures are olmost identical between the United States and Canada but i was wondering what an employer would think about hiring a instructor that did all of his training in Canada except for the conversions and instructor ratings? The market in Canada for aviation has to be one of the worst in the world..all pilots end up working the ramp up north for a year or two getting paid welfare wages before moving into a flying position and getting even worse wages..not to mention this is up north in the freezing cold...i have flown down to the states quite a few times both IFR and VFR because i trained right on the boarder...i have recieved some advice on this but i am still contimplating saving up the money it will take to convert and deciding if it will be worth it for me to make the move down south (any where)...i dont want to pay for an instructor rating and have nobody want to hire me because i have mostly Canadian idents in my logbook...but i really want to move down south and live in the United States and i have allot of family that already does..thanks for your answers!

 

[wheelsup]

MIts next to impossible to find a flight school that has a multi engine airplane you can teach in.

You're looking in the wrong places. I signed off a fellow MEI for his checkride and a week later he was instructing in our barons (58). I wanna say he had around 25-30 multi TOTAL.

I worked at 2 other flight schools before I finally found one that was a keeper.

The school I was at before this one had no multi requirement to teach, just 200 dual given (in singles first). The school before that had no twin (hence why I moved on ).

~wheelsup

 

[casper1nine]

man captainO'.... i don't know the first thing about conversion of canadian credentials to FAA.

i do know that all other things being equal, if you have an F double A issued CFI, and are otherwise legally able to work in the US, i (as a potential employer) would give no special or additional consideration to that fact that the majority of your flying was done in canada. now, if you had been flying in let's say... france, well that is a different story! seriously, i don't work for or own a flight school, and am not in a position to hire cfi's, but i have run two flight schools in my "career," and don't think that your canadian flight hours would be frowned upon by a potential employer.

best of luck to you and bwbill

 

[CaptO'Brien]

yea i have found out how to convert my licenses (its very easy since eveything is so similar) and i am unrestricted to work in the United States...i just dont want to spend money buying an instructor rating and then find out its no use because i didnt do the majority of my flying in the United states...i will eventually live and work in the united states but i just want to start my career in aviation down there because up here its just a joke...Tossing bags for less than minimum wage for two years for a not always promised flight position...anyhow thanks for your imput i appreciate your help..im sure whatever i decide i will make it...i always seem to find a way

 

[BushwickBill]

Captain O' B,

Bro Im laughing my ass off because when I was in Canada I wanted to work up there because of all the opportunity for young pilots who wouldn't mind flying bush. I guess the grass is greener. Best of luck to you.

And thanks Casper19,

Seriously being told not to be a winer is cool. I dont mind. I just feel like it isn't fair that people can buy seats at the airlines while I slog away in a 152.

 

[HMR]

Seriously being told not to be a winer is cool. I dont mind. I just feel like it isn't fair that people can buy seats at the airlines while I slog away in a 152.

It wasn't that long ago (relatively) that I was slogging around in a 152. Now I have a better job than any of my airline buddies (including captains). Keep your chin up!

 

[CaptO'Brien]

Bushwick..times must have changed since you were up here cause people are working for free pratically and getting treated like crap flying planes in the bush...my one buddy works near the artic circle flying natives around in a 207 for $3 dollars an hour!! and he gets millage but it isnt very much he said even if he maxed out on it he wouldnt even make min wage (the opperation he works for is extremely sketchy)...i have talked to a couple people down in the US whom have converted and are making more than they would in the same position in Canada...also if you go on a Canadian forum like this one most people talk about not having jobs or how hard it is to get a job...on here ppl mostly talk about which are the better jobs..im pretty sure the grass is truly greener down south...otherwise i would definately save the money and get my ATPL up here and convert...only prob is i wouldnt get enough hours for my ATPL for awhile because i would be working the ramp forever. Out of 5 friends that just finished training 4 are working the ramp and the one i mentioned above only got that position because he has 1300 hours on a cessna because he owns his own!! Anyhow i just want to do whats best so yea believe me i am willing to do what it takes i am more than willing to work in the bush to earn my time i just want to use my dual citizenship to my advantage...

 

[casper1nine]

bushwkr, you're not whining, the situation IS really screwed up.

 

[tuna pimp]

...i have talked to a couple people down in the US whom have converted and are making more than they would in the same position in Canada...also if you go on a Canadian forum like this one most people talk about not having jobs or how hard it is to get a job...on here ppl mostly talk about which are the better jobs..im pretty sure the grass is truly greener down south...

I totally agree with this. I did a few years of undergrad at a college with a good aviation program in Canada and bolted first chance I had for the USA. Though I still love my home and native land, (and return regularly for my 'double-double' fix at Tim's) the aviation job market is night and day to how it is here in the Southland. No comparison.

 

[tuna pimp]

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[NYCPilot]

I remember several years back when I was doing my Private over at FRG, there was a flight school which will remain nameless, although they are now defunct, that had an incident with a couple of their multi-hungry instructors.

At the time, the school had a Duchess they used for rentals and instruction which, on occasion, some of the instructors would use to build multi-time. The Duchess sat on the ramp attached to three tie-downs, one on each wing and on the tail. The ropes that were tied to the aircraft rings were connected to three large circular cement plates. Each plate was about 4 feet in diameter and maybe 8 inches or so tall. These two CFI’s, one with about 500 to 600 hours and the other with close to 2000 hours proceeded to taxi and takeoff the aircraft with one of the tie-downs still attached.

Apparently, in their haste to add another couple of hours of multi to their logbook, one of the pilots neglected to untie one of the wings tie-downs and they proceeded to taxi out with one of the wings still tied down, thus dragging this large cement plate all the way to the run-up area. Although they admitted later on (yes, they miraculously lived) that they felt the plane required a lot of rudder to maintain the taxiway centerline, they did not suspect that anything was wrong.

After performing the run-up, they received clearance to takeoff and shortly after lift-off, still over the runway, BOOOOM!!! – the weight of the tie-down plate ripped from the rope and crashed down onto the runway, breaking into pieces.
These are some lucky MF’ers, let me tell you. Had that rope been a little stronger or if it was the tail that had not been untied, this story wouldn’t have ended so happily.

Anyway, one guy if I recall, had a buddy at the FSDO which is actually on the field at FRG, and so he got a lecture, basically a slap on the wrist and the other guy was grounded and had desk duties at the flight school for a couple of months. I don’t believe there was any official FAA action.

As unbelievable as this sounds, it is a true story.

Make sure you ALWAYS do a proper preflight kids…
..and don't be too anxious to fly that multi. It just might kill you if you're not careful.

 

[BushwickBill]

Well it sounds like they were just stupid. I dont know what it has to do with multi though....

Same thing has happend with single engine a/c at our school. With a senior flight instructor too.

 

[NYCPilot]

Well it sounds like they were just stupid. I dont know what it has to do with multi though....

Same thing has happend with single engine a/c at our school. With a senior flight instructor too.

The overzealous desire for multi time reminded me of this story and so it may not have anything directly related to multi engine flying but flying in general.

Anyway, although most regionals will expect some amount of multi, what really gets you the job are your instrument skills. This was explained to me one day by someone very knowledgeable in the field. Most of your flying will be done with two engines turning, what they're really concerned about is how well you fly on the instruments. If you know your Jepp charts inside and out and can rattle off holding entries off the top of your head without thinking when given a hypothetical entry heading and hold leg/direction, you will be on their short list. Trust me on having above average, quick thinking instrument skills.