Most well known accident?

[FN FAL]

For the record the airplane didn't attempt a takeoff, it DID take off. It just happened to hit another airplane immediately thereafter. KLM was just far enough off the ground to basically rip the top half off the other 747 involved in the, *ahem*, accident.

If you are going to discount "negligent acts" from inclusion as "accidents", you are writing off 2/3 of the airline accidents that have ever occurred. I think you're being a wee bit too literal in your application of the term "accident". As far as I'm concerned, every crash mentioned in this thread (and dozens more) are all accidents, whether the circumstances were indeed "accidental" or the result of negligent acts. I understand your point about perhaps not including terrorist acts, but anything else is absolutely fair game.

To back you up, the NTSB still calls them "accidents". However, since a lot of their reports are in the preliminary phase, it would be unfair for them to call it the "NTSB Negligence" reports.

I think the original poster of this thread would have did better if he would have substituted "disaster" for the word "accident".

 

[Cutlass1287]

Not Counting September 11, I would say TWA 800.

 

[sky37d]

No, I have to agree with Tenerife. It was the single most deadly accident. There were others, espcially AA191, which were caught on tape, etc etc, but Tenerife was the big one.

There was no tape at Tenerife, just fog.

 

[User546]

Not Counting September 11, I would say TWA 800.

That's a good one as well. Theres enough consipiracist theorys out there that we'll be seeing many more shows on this for many years.

And the Sioux City crash I will agree as also right up there at the top. Everyone will always remember that amateur video crashing in a fireball across the runway.

And guys, seriously, why are we debating whether or not Tenerife was an accident or not? My gad... 500+ people lost their lives when two 747's collided on the runway. Who's to blame for it is not the issue, the severity of the crash is all the same.

Besides, again, it being the most devestating (fatality wise) crash in the history of aviation, the majority of common people would go blank if you mentioned the word "Tenerife." Its very well known in aviation circles, but outside of that, not many people know, or atleast remember, it.

 

[air_chompers]

I'm going with the crash on flight of the phenoix.

 

[Tram]

The first or second crash of the Phoenix?

 

[FN FAL]

And guys, seriously, why are we debating whether or not Tenerife was an accident or not? My gad... 500+ people lost their lives when two 747's collided on the runway. Who's to blame for it is not the issue, the severity of the crash is all the same.

Whose blaming anyone?

 

[RideTheWind]

What happened there, the captain took off without a clearence didn't he?

 

[Tarzan]

The most remembered accident is when you try to fart and crap your pants instead. If one of buddies does it, nobody forgets.

 

[FN FAL]

The most remembered accident is when you try to fart and crap your pants instead. If one of buddies does it, nobody forgets.

there you go...if you can say, "ooops, my bad!" then it's probably an accident. If you have to say, "ooops, I ain't saying nothing until I talk to a lawyer!" it's probably a negligent act.

 

[Tram]

So, what if.. A terrorist MEANT to do one thing, but accidentally did another? Like, what if the 767 was supposed to hit the Empire State Building instead of one of the twin towers?

Is that an accident?

 

[CorpLearDriver]

What was that accident where Russians shot down an American airliner because it penatrated thier airspace???

You mean Korean Airliner... KAL Flt# 007

 

[CorpLearDriver]

I can't say which accidents got the most coverage. I can look at a few and see which are the more significant ones.

June 30, 1956 United DC-6/TWA Super Connie Collied over the Grand Canyon. Not the most fatalities in an accident, not the most recent in many people's mindes. But the effect was a complete change in the way air traffic control opperates. One more note or bit of trivia on this one. The TWA Employee Calendar, when flipped to July the next morning, displayed a beautiful picture of the Grand Canyon. (My Dad was a TWA ticket agent in Los Angeles at the time and it was one of his most vivid memories of the accident.)

The PSA 727 mid-air with the C-172 over San Diego had the effect of creating the San Diego TCA (now Class B) and raising the upper limits on the LA TCA and also merging several air traffic control operations.

The Souix City Crash is why we have so much emphisis on Crew Resource Management.

The Mid-Air between a Hughes Air West DC-9 and an F-4 Phantom over the San Gabriel Mountains also had the effect of no longer having seperate military and civilian air traffic controlers in the same sectors.

These are just a few that I can think of.

 

[minitour]

The most remembered accident is when you try to fart and crap your pants instead. If one of buddies does it, nobody forgets.

The word you're looking for there is, "Shart"

-mini

 

[ArcticFlier]

I need to read further before posting next time.........



AF

 

[Jimbodawg]

I'd have to say Lockerbie/Sept 11 and then Tenerife. But that's been said once or twice before on this board

 

[SammyG]

In Tenerife, the pilots mis-understood a clerance from the tower, which caused them to takeoff and caused the accident, correct?

 

[Tarzan]

The captain assumed. The transmission was blocked and the captain, who was running out of crew rest, commenced a takeoff run.

 

[User546]

The Mid-Air between a Hughes Air West DC-9 and an F-4 Phantom over the San Gabriel Mountains also had the effect of no longer having seperate military and civilian air traffic controlers in the same sectors.

What's the details on this accident? I've never heard of this before.

 

[aeronautic1]

One of the first major airline disasters post WWII in the Western Hemisphere, the British South American Airlines, "Star Dust," a civilian version of the Avro Lancaster. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/vanished.shtml

First sabotage of a commercial airliner by bombing. Boeing 707.
http://state29.blogspot.com/2005/05/flight-11-over-iowa-1962.html

 

[aeronautic1]

I ment to post this

http://forums.flightinfo.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=680007
http://www.cnhinewsservice.com/national/index.php?mode=view&id=6567

 

[Cutlass1287]

The Souix City Crash is why we have so much emphisis on Crew Resource Management.

The Sioux city crash (United 232) was more an example of how CRM is supposed to work, than anything else. As far as I know, the crash of Eastern 401 is what really started serious CRM training. If you recall, this was the accident where the L-1011 crashed into the everglades because the entire crew's attention was focused on the landing gear malfunction.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Regarding the accident in Tenerife.




http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_kl4805.php



http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19770327-1



http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/27/newsid_2531000/2531063.stm


AF

 

[I.P. Freley]

First sabotage of a commercial airliner by bombing. Boeing 707.
http://state29.blogspot.com/2005/05/flight-11-over-iowa-1962.html

I assume this "Doty" guy is the basis of the character played by Sonny Bono in "Airplane II"....

 

[bubbers]

Each accident usually causes a new fix so it won't happen again. AA's Cali B757 crash into terrain got us the Inhansed GPWS. The Aeromexico midair going into LAX put emphasis on TCAS. The DC10 AA crash out of ORD changed procedures on maintaining V2 after engine failure. Swissair MD11 fire over Halifax changed electrical smoke procedures. 9-11 changed our hijack procedures. It is unfortunate that people need to die to make these changes but it is making flying safer.

 

[Flightjock30]

That's a good one as well. Theres enough consipiracist theorys out there that we'll be seeing many more shows on this for many years.


umm yeh thats because it was shot down by a US Navy Missile

 

[redd]

Infamous Aviation Accidents:


Otto Lilienthal - “Sacrifices must be made”.

Antoine de Saint-Exupery was a mystery till recently.

Amelia Earhart’s

Andes mountains rugby team that resorted to cannibalism, book and movie made about it named Alive!



Maritime Accidents:


Edmund Fitzgerald

The collision and sinking of the Andrea Doria.

Perfect storm fishing boat, Andrea Gail, made into movie from the book by Sebastian Junger.



Can’t seem to recall any famous railroad or roadway accidents.

 

[FN FAL]

Maritime Accidents:


Edmund Fitzgerald.

That lake is something else...I don't know what there is about it, but it raises the hairs on the back of my neck just looking at it.

 

[redd]

FN FAL,

Have you flown over any of the great lakes, don’t cha hail from those parts?

The story of the Fitzgerald gives me the willies, cold deep waters, scary stuff.

Never heard of any aviation accidents there, though.

 

[TIS]

The Sioux city crash (United 232) was more an example of how CRM is supposed to work, than anything else. As far as I know, the crash of Eastern 401 is what really started serious CRM training. If you recall, this was the accident where the L-1011 crashed into the everglades because the entire crew's attention was focused on the landing gear malfunction.

Actually, the crash of United 178, a DC-8 arriving PDX, was the genesis of CRM training.

In a nutshell, the crew was dealing with a landing gear indication problem as they were running out of fuel. The Captain was urged by both the FO and SO to end the delays and get on the ground ASAP. The Captain ignored them both saying he knew what the aircraft could do.

He didn't - they crashed - and the NTSB report blamed the, "Captain is GOD" mentality that theretofore had defined the role of the captain aboard a commercial jet. The NTSB urged the FAA to mandate CRM training and shortly thereafter they did.

TIS