Most Junior UAL Pilot?

[UALX727]

Just wondering how far back the furloughs have gone at UAL, with the corresponding date of hire. I am ex-UAL and wonder how many of my buds are still there. Thanks.

Also, are they done furloughing yet?

 

[Chairman]

Early 99 or late 98......For now no more planned furloughes but with no retirments till late 2012 and only airplane orders to replace other aircraft it will be a long wait for recalls.

 

[bluechunks]

Early 99 or late 98

Close, but incorrect.

UA's junior active pilot was hired 08/02/99. That's seniority #6497 on the 2009 list.

 

[Chairman]

Yeah they don't let the furlough guys have access to that stuff anymore was just going off other people who will be couch surfing for some time!

 

[bluefin]

I'd bet 8 yrs before anything, rights end at 10 yrs. All bets are off if there is a merger. I don't expect to ever be recalled, nor would I go back. Been there done that! and didn't get a t-shirt signed by uncle tittie!

 

[pilotgolfer]

I've actually heard rumors of a small recall in the spring. I'm not sure I believe the rumor...but it is floating around.

 

[ual321]

Close, but incorrect.

UA's junior active pilot was hired 08/02/99. That's seniority #6497 on the 2009 list.

Was an Aug of '99 hire. Glad to have been able to move on, but feel for the ones who couldn't escape. Sucks...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Just wondering how far back the furloughs have gone at UAL, with the corresponding date of hire. I am ex-UAL and wonder how many of my buds are still there. Thanks.

Also, are they done furloughing yet?

enjoying it aren't you..why do you care?

 

[Kharma Police]

enjoying it aren't you..why do you care?

Weren't you at AirTran?

 

[Fly2AK]

I am guessing recalls starting slowly by the end of 2010. My question is who is going to want to come back? I know there are several of us here in the desert and in china making a pretty good paycheck, but it is not home. I am not in a rush to come back to poor wages and work rules anytime soon, but I do want to come home.

 

[Kharma Police]

enjoying it aren't you..why do you care?

I remember now, AirTran gave you a job when you were furloughed from UAL. Then, after you took the recall, you expressed your gratitude by trashing the company and people that were kind enough to put food on your table.

 

[Networ-King]

I remember now, AirTran gave you a job when you were furloughed from UAL. Then, after you took the recall, you expressed your gratitude by trashing the company and people that were kind enough to put food on your table.

What's your point? In class every instructor had something sh!tty to say about every airline out there during the first furlough era of the new millenium and that's the year you guys made 8 million dollars profit. Forklift Joe and his goons got 8 million in bonuses because of their hard work that year. We had pilots from almost every airline out there in class, from an early retired US Air guy to furloughed guys to ASA captains. Never have I heard a group of pilots be so cocky and disrespectful in ground school. Now... my buds that were in class with me that stayed are still FO's, making crap wages and telling me how much they hate it over there and how they're stuck for now. I even remember one instructor in class asking... why would anyone want to fly rubber dog sh!t in the middle of the night for UPS? To each his own I guess....glass houses and all that good stuff. Hope you guys improve on your pay scales at Airtran.

Net

 

[UAL-GSO]

I remember now, AirTran gave you a job when you were furloughed from UAL. Then, after you took the recall, you expressed your gratitude by trashing the company and people that were kind enough to put food on your table.

I was at Airtran during the first furlough. I never had/still don't have reason to trash anyone there. Just like Networ-King, I had to listen to comments fairly regularly about how terrible United and every other legacy carrier was. All I'm saying is it goes both ways - a lot of the animosity is on your end. At the end of the day, we're all just trying to make a living.

 

[Kugelblitz]

This post started out as a simple question by someone concerned about their friends at United and look where it has gone.

This is why we pilots continue to get screwed by our management. I cannot recall a single thread that has ever run more than one page on this forum where individuals haven't started fighting with one another. I could post that the new paint scheme for airline so and so looks good and sure enough some jack-#ss would have to make some snide remark about even that.

There are a lot of bitter people out there (and I must admit, sometimes it's me as well) who have invested a lot of time and energy to get into this profession only to besmirch everyone involved with it.

Pilots for other airlines are not the enemy, generally, management is. They are the opportunist who played on people's fears after 9-11 and who continue to try and convince pilots that we are equal in duties to FA's and the aircraft cleaning crew. They only way we can ever hope to regain some semblance of a profession that is desirable is to support one another and stop seeing everyone else as the competition out to put one over on you.

Arguing over everything one can think of only gives the coporate hegemony what they want. That isn't just true in the microcosm of pilot contracts, this is true for us as a nation as well. As long as we allow ourselves to be divided, or volunteer to do so as so many do on Flightinfo or as we do politically on a national level, we have absolutely no hope of improvement.

We must re-learn the art of living together in harmony and not being so cynical about everything. Trust me, I am the pot accusing the kettle here, but it is true nonetheless.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I remember now, AirTran gave you a job when you were furloughed from UAL. Then, after you took the recall, you expressed your gratitude by trashing the company and people that were kind enough to put food on your table.

Whatever dude....glad I left!

 

[UAL-GSO]

This post started out as a simple question by someone concerned about their friends at United and look where it has gone.

I've been in this industry for 14 years and on this forum for 10 - some things never change. Back in "the good old days" when everyone was hiring, this was the place for good information. Unfortunately, with so little good news to go around, every conversation seems to degenerate into something worthless. I think it's just a lot of collective frustration.

 

[UALX727]

enjoying it aren't you..why do you care?

I was going to call one of my friends at UAL and see if I could be any assistance to him...maybe a rec letter, referring him to mutual friends flying for different companies...some with the F.A.A, etc. I hear they are hiring. I haven't talked with him in a long time and was simply wondering if he was still there. Nothing more than that. From the looks of it he was furloughed. Been there, done that, and it truly sucks. Good luck to you all at UAL, hopefully it will turn around soon.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Thanks UALX727...wish this industry never experienced 9/11 or the RJ growth...things sure would be different...Good luck at AAI...I really liked that 717. I hope you guys can put a stop to the CRJ outsourcing I never thought they would try it again. UAL mgmt. has taken way too much and hopefully things will turn around.

 

[contrail67]

I'd bet 8 yrs before anything, rights end at 10 yrs. All bets are off if there is a merger. I don't expect to ever be recalled, nor would I go back. Been there done that! and didn't get a t-shirt signed by uncle tittie!

So is someone going to produce a anti-aging pill or something?....Retirements start in 2012.....if No-one leaves before.

I highly doubt if your 8 year prediction will hold true.

 

[iflyhigh]

There will be medical outs and guys that simply get tired and decide to leave. No it won't be in the 200 range, but it could be in the 50 or so range.

Some airlines have already seen this.

 

[pilotyip]

Dare Consumers

This is why we pilots continue to get screwed by our management. .

Aren't you really being screwed by those terrible consumers of air travel who demand such rock bottom prices so that no one can make a profit.

 

[Caveman]

I'd like to check on an acquaintence I knew a few years ago who is at UAL. Would someone mind PMing me and I'll give you his name. I just want to know whether or not he survived the furloughs. Thanks.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Aren't you really being screwed by those terrible consumers of air travel who demand such rock bottom prices so that no one can make a profit.

Well. no. You don't understand the airline business. The consumers' effect on ticket prices only goes so far. After all, passengers can demand to pay a $1 airfare all they want but it won't happen. It is the airlines that undercut each other to fill seats in a race to the bottom. If airlines actually charged what it would cost plus a profit, then the industry wouldn't be in such a dismal state. Instead, they would rather corner the market on certain routes and lose money on specific flights. Then they roll the dice to see if they can make up for it in other routes and/or other times, cut labor costs by declaring bankruptcy to get out of a union contracts (including scope), lowering quality of service, reducing service, operating/outsourcing understaffed call centers by folks that barely speak English etc. etc. etc....one could go on and on. Wal Mart Airways, here we come.

Kugelblitz is correct. The problem is management.

 

[pilotyip]

you are so right

Well. no. You don't understand the airline business. The consumers' effect on ticket prices only goes so far. After all, passengers can demand to pay a $1 airfare all they want but it won't happen. It is the airlines that undercut each other to fill seats in a race to the bottom. If airlines actually charged what it would cost plus a profit, then the industry wouldn't be in such a dismal state. Instead, they would rather corner the market on certain routes and lose money on specific flights. Then they roll the dice to see if they can make up for it in other routes and/or other times, cut labor costs by declaring bankruptcy to get out of a union contracts (including scope), lowering quality of service, reducing service, operating/outsourcing understaffed call centers by folks that barely speak English etc. etc. etc....one could go on and on. Wal Mart Airways, here we come.

Kugelblitz is correct. The problem is management.

you are so right, lets go back to 1976 and hte regulated airlines business
Life was good for a few pilots under regulation. There are probably 4-5 times as many pilot’s jobs now as there was in 1977. Back in reg time it was about 90% military that went to the majors. Dereg opened up a lot of airline job to non-military pilots. To return to regulation would raise ticket prices, reduce the number of passengers, and therefore reduce the number of pilots needed. This is still a great way to make a living, pilots are not doctor's, if you want to be treated like a doctor finish med school, pilots are not wall street CEO's, if you want ot be a wall street CEO, get into one the top 10 MBA's school. You are pilot you fly airplanes, if you like doing that you are probably happy. If not you are in the wrong line of work.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

you are so right, lets go back to 1976 and hte regulated airlines business
Life was good for a few pilots under regulation. There are probably 4-5 times as many pilot’s jobs now as there was in 1977. Back in reg time it was about 90% military that went to the majors. Dereg opened up a lot of airline job to non-military pilots. To return to regulation would raise ticket prices, reduce the number of passengers, and therefore reduce the number of pilots needed. This is still a great way to make a living, pilots are not doctor's, if you want to be treated like a doctor finish med school, pilots are not wall street CEO's, if you want ot be a wall street CEO, get into one the top 10 MBA's school. You are pilot you fly airplanes, if you like doing that you are probably happy. If not you are in the wrong line of work.

It is truly amazing how this dip******************** holds on to a medical!
This is the same moron you follow doing 55 in the left lane with his turn signal on.
It's ok old man. No one could possibly think any less of you. Go retire, and enjoy the shuffleboard court.

 

[IAHERJ]

you are so right, lets go back to 1976 and hte regulated airlines business
Life was good for a few pilots under regulation. There are probably 4-5 times as many pilot’s jobs now as there was in 1977. Back in reg time it was about 90% military that went to the majors. Dereg opened up a lot of airline job to non-military pilots. To return to regulation would raise ticket prices, reduce the number of passengers, and therefore reduce the number of pilots needed. This is still a great way to make a living, pilots are not doctor's, if you want to be treated like a doctor finish med school, pilots are not wall street CEO's, if you want ot be a wall street CEO, get into one the top 10 MBA's school. You are pilot you fly airplanes, if you like doing that you are probably happy. If not you are in the wrong line of work.

Allow me to translate this:

Basically, prior to deregulation, only a few pilots enjoyed the good life. Pilotyip was not one of those because he lacked whatever was needed to get on with a major airline. Deregulation to him has been a good thing as it has allowed multiple start up bottom feeders to spring up all over this country. Along with nonscheduled airlines(like the one he works for), the fly by night outfits that come and go continue to put downward pressure on the legacy airlines that offer the best pay packages but since he can't get a job at one of those carriers, who cares. It's like the difference between a British youth and an American kid. The American kid sees a luxury car pass him on the street and instantly thinks "wow, I want to be able to have one of those one day" while the British kid says "Who the bloody Hell does he think he is in that nice car? I'll show him!"
Now that pilotyip has worked in "management" at his little outfit he has something he can cling to and finally be "elite". He constantly reminds us that labor will only get what the market can afford etc. As if nobody gets that. Sad.

 

[pilotyip]

get out of my lane.

It is truly amazing how this dip******************** holds on to a medical!
This is the same moron you follow doing 55 in the left lane with his turn signal on.

not me I have the guy doin 80 inthe left lane blinking my lights at you for drving 70, that is when I am not out barn storming in the B-17 and C-47. BTW last 1 st class, BP110/70, rest pulse 60, did not need glasses. If things work out for you, you also may enjoy these years if you get here.

 

[pilotyip]

Who me?

Allow me to translate this:

Basically, prior to deregulation, only a few pilots enjoyed the good life. Pilotyip was not one of those because he lacked whatever was needed to get on with a major airline. .

Like many of the later Vietnam era pilots who I served with our timing to make it in this industry was not as good as some. There were so many guys with 1000's of hour of jet time from that era, that turbo prop guys were not in as big of a demand. A long list of ex EAL, Pam Am, Transamerica, Braniff guy fit in that same box. BTW I have had a ball and looking back would change little. I still have a lot of friends in this business, maybe if you tried you could also be one. Will you be my friend?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Allow me to translate this:

Basically, prior to deregulation, only a few pilots enjoyed the good life. Pilotyip was not one of those because he lacked whatever was needed to get on with a major airline. Deregulation to him has been a good thing as it has allowed multiple start up bottom feeders to spring up all over this country. Along with nonscheduled airlines(like the one he works for), the fly by night outfits that come and go continue to put downward pressure on the legacy airlines that offer the best pay packages but since he can't get a job at one of those carriers, who cares. It's like the difference between a British youth and an American kid. The American kid sees a luxury car pass him on the street and instantly thinks "wow, I want to be able to have one of those one day" while the British kid says "Who the bloody Hell does he think he is in that nice car? I'll show him!"
Now that pilotyip has worked in "management" at his little outfit he has something he can cling to and finally be "elite". He constantly reminds us that labor will only get what the market can afford etc. As if nobody gets that. Sad.

Too bad you didn't get one of this azzwipes 2 page PM's. pilotyip is one pathetic old man. At least he's where he's supposed to be, with the rest of the azzwipes. In airline management at some scumbag ********************hole operation.

 

[IAHERJ]

My post was pretty harsh and a shot at someone I don't even know(great thing to throw bombs while hiding behind a screen). What I find troubling is his continued "managing of expectations" for anyone who works for a legacy airline. I've never read a post by him where he wishes the pilots of a carrier in negotiations well. He complains as a consumer about airline pricing thus fostering the typical U.S. airline passenger "I have a right to travel coast to coast for $199.00" mentality(reference his posts months back about buying tickets for personal travel). I wish him well(as I wish for everyone in this industry, pilot or not). I just don't understand the 10% who always seem to feed on the negativity in this industry and thrive on watching others go through down cycles(aka United).