Mormons and Frisbee

[transienttorque]

But what does the Book of Morman say about Frisbees?

 

[tinman]

Just a couple of things for now-

6. Have its doctrines changed a lot over the years? No.

Depends on what you mean by a lot.
Not to pick on you, just curious ATL2CDG, you said you have only been a member for a couple of years, but you don't believe in most of the doctrine? Why did you join? Again no jabs, just curious.

I really like this thread, it's very informative, whether some agree or not.

Those who have the faith believe it, and those who don't... Well, don't.

I would agree with that. I have no problem with the LDS faithful and those who have studied and honestly have come up with their own feelings and reasons for joining the church. My beef is impressionable (sp?) minds that are being taken advantage of. Example, my cousin had just got out of high school getting ready to go in the Army, met a girl who was LDS. He did his share of parties, getting into trouble and what not. He had gone to many different churches growing up and had a good idea about all of them. Well of course the girl won't give him any until he joins the church. Now all of a sudden, the mormons are the ticket. No ifs, ands or buts. He got baptized two days before he went in the service. That's just one of many stories of people I know.

By the way, where IS TB?

 

[ATL2CDG]

tinman:

First, thank you for the mature and rational tone of your post: it's a welcome change.

I was a member; I, too, chased tailed into the church. My wife and I met on one of my flights, I was rebounding from the break of a very serious, long distance relationship and, this is the real kicker, is was *gasp* attracted to me! My then love-interest and her family encouraged my conversion, but, at least early in the relationship, she did not pin our marriage or future on my joining (unlike many LDS women). Wanting to participate in the various, and at that time what I considered, positive activities of the church and feeling the need to have spiritual focus, I joined. Beforehand, being a relatively intelligent person (no comments, plz), I studied the various doctrines and ideas of the church. Given that I was born in raised in the 'bible belt', I had less than a positive image of 'those Mormons.' Many of the ideas of the church attracted me (eternal families, salvation for ALL persons, the power of personal priesthood) despite my hidden personal beliefs that are anything BUT Christian in origin. However, given the ease with which she has thrown away our marriage, I have since left the church and am enjoying the freedom of not being tied down to Christian dogma.

However, I must make a note of something I found extraordinary in your post: if your cousin's girlfriend was a devout LDS, she wouldn't be 'giv[ing] him any' until they are wed. The church as zero-tolerance for pre-marital sexual relationships and I'm flabbergasted that this girl would use your cousin's faith as a sexual bargaining chip. Oh well, LDS are human and sin just like the rest of us. Admittedly, my wife and I 'knew' each other before we were wed... suprisingly, my balls were put in a mason jar and ingored soon after the wedding cake. *sigh*

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>First of all, I don't expect this thread to shake their faith<<<

So then... If my "defense" of them is such a mystery to you, I should be equally mystified by why you bothered to enter into this particular fray to point out what a fraud the LDS faith is.

Seems like a simple enough question.

Your answer, however, is to yet again misrepresent my questions as attacks. I didn't "dismiss Genesis", as you put it (but you sure as shootin' have dismissed the BOM, haven't ya?). I asked if possibly the "horses" thing from the Book of Mormon that you've mysteriously latched onto as your "proof" of its' lack of legitimacy was not meant to be taken literally, as we're not supposed to take 7 days literally in Genesis. Amazingly, this is interpreted by you as an attack. I have to give you credit, your blowing everything out of proportion is entertaining to read. Riveted... Riveted, I am, at your sensitivity to any questioning.

But what more should I expect from the person who has taken the Book of Mormon as such a personal attack on his own faith?

Then again, I guess I am not allowed to comment as a non-believer (which is, I guess, the greatest insult you can bestow upon a person). Being beneath contempt to you as I obviously am, I wonder why you bother. The horrible inconsistencies in my position which you refer to (which have yet to be pointed out, but oh how I look forward to your drawn-out, on-the-fringes-of-believability response) are nothing more than questions. I think it is simply questions that offend you, as questioning your faith brings out the very best (worst?) in you.

I feel no pain when you wound the COLDS, so don't feel bad that I feel bad about what you type, nor do I find it anything but laughable that you find me ignorant (oh, sir, how you do WOUND me ROFL). What I AM wounded by is your consistent murdering of common sense and consistency... Which, luckily for you, isn't a federal crime. Otherwise you'd be typing your responses from Leavenworth.

 

[tinman]

I'm flabbergasted that this girl would use your cousin's faith as a sexual bargaining chip.

I see this all the time here, don't no about the rest of Utah. Funny thing about parents, my gf in high school was LDS, and her parents didn't care for me too much(me not being LDS). 14 years later I'm good friends with her dad. He is an A&P and works out at the airport.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Yes, funny indeed.

I dated this gal about five years ago who I just KNEW would end up being an EX girlfriend because of her strong religous beliefs... And my lack of same. I dealt with it for a while but foresaw the inevitable breakup on the basis of a fundamental lack of common spiritual ground. Basically, I broke up with her before she broke up with ME (which she admitted to me later was going to happen).

So... I talked to her the other day for the first time in over three years, and what's happened in HER family? Well... Her older brother is an alcoholic and her younger brother is a recovering HEROIN ADDICT. "Recovering" meaning he went through $30k and six weeks in a clean-out facility in CA, and then ended up in the hospital after OD'ing less'n 36hrs after returning home to Long Island. Being "brought up right" is no guarantee of ANYTHING. Two girls I knew in HS, good friends, even, have gone so far off their parents' very Catholic reservation that it's amazing to behold. Their tattoo count exceeds all imagining, to say nothing of the unexpected sexual orientation of one of the daughters...

Anyway... Back to the ex. Her parents can't understand how their children have gone so very wrong after their proper upbringing, but their daughter has been a model citizen so far. She's even doing the "going overseas to preach to the heathen" thing, spending a month or more a year with the people of North Africa. As a Master's Degree-holding Nurse in NYC, she's earning far more than any pilot I know, and still affords a good chunk of her time each year to people of Africa.

And yet... Isn't offended by a heathen like me, unlike some posters on flightinfo I can name.

 

[JustInfo]

Interesting

For those close minded people that think Archaeologists have found and documented everything in the Americas...

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040414003559.htm


www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970923033351.htm


An open mind is not such a bad thing people...

 

[414Flyer]

Re: Interesting

For those close minded people that think Archaeologists have found and documented everything in the Americas...

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/04/040414003559.htm


www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970923033351.htm


An open mind is not such a bad thing people...

Uhhh do you think it is a bit ironic that you decide to label those who dont believe the hebrew indians/ancient civilization LDS story when there is not any evidence for it, as close minded?

I mean what about those who believe that the Indians came over on a boat and founded a large civization that just disappeared without a trace, yet do not believe in the anthropological and genetic evidence that absolutely points to an Asiatic origin?

How is one group being close minded when there is no evidence to the contrary, and yet you would not think another group (LDS) is not being close minded when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

You can believe whatever you want. But I would caution against just calling people close minded, because they, just like everyone outside LDS, do not believe in this Lamanite indians story.

 

[Mogus]

Closed-minded? You wanna talk closed-minded?

"When the Prophet speaks, the debate is over." In the Mormon church, talks given by the Prophet or the Apostles are automatically canonized as scripture, right up there with the Bible.

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that remotely contradicts the Mormon church on its Book of Mormon claims, its version of history, its doctine, or anything for that matter is labeled "anti-Mormon." This is a fairly effective means of keeping much of the Church wallowing in ignorance. I was reading about logistical flaws with the Book of Mormon online a while ago and my mom flew into a fit. I was no longer allowed to "view that filth" or do anything on the computer thereafter. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have been half as angry had I been looking at hard-core porn.

Although the Church is very cordial with Christian denominations officially, there's a different story to be told in Sunday School. I often hear teachers and returned missionaries poke fun at the "crazy beliefs" and practices of other Churches. It's also very common for members to mention how the Mormon church has the perfect, full gospel, while other religions have only "partial truths."

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...

 

[ATL2CDG]

Closed-minded? You wanna talk closed-minded?

"When the Prophet speaks, the debate is over." In the Mormon church, talks given by the Prophet or the Apostles are automatically canonized as scripture, right up there with the Bible.

Although the Church is very cordial with Christian denominations officially, there's a different story to be told in Sunday School. I often hear teachers and returned missionaries poke fun at the "crazy beliefs" and practices of other Churches. It's also very common for members to mention how the Mormon church has the perfect, full gospel, while other religions have only "partial truths."

While the talks from the General Authorities are definitely held in high regard and often referenced in lessons and such, they are not 'canonized'. The only 'scriptures' recognized are the OT, NT, BoM, Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrines and Covenants.

And regarding LDS speaking poorly of other faiths, I would welcome you to visit a Southern Baptist church, Church of God or Disciples of Christ church during their annual 'Mormons are Evil' days. NO church is innocent of bashing other churches; heck, many Southern Baptist churches make fellow Southern Baptist churches look worse than the Mormons. Many Christians are, unfortunately, infested with the 'it's us versus them' syndrome.