More Mexican flags than American flags today?

[Murdoughnut]

No amount of brainless flag waving and empty rhetoric will save you, unless whitey wants to start reproducing faster than his neighbors from the south. As for me, I'm riding the demographic bandwagon and learning me some Spanish! As a great man once said "You can stand in the middle of the road b!tching about the bus about to run your a$$ over, or you can get the hell out of the way" Adios amigos!

 

[FN FAL]

No amount of brainless flag waving and empty rhetoric will save you, unless whitey wants to start reproducing faster than his neighbors from the south.

At the factory I used to work at, everybody sent their kids to college so that they wouldn't have to work at the factory when they grew up. Although I'm sure a lot of those college grads found relevant employment after graduation, even the ones that didn't, probably don't want to spend their days picking cabbage.

 

[Skyranger777]

I am all for somebody wanting to better themself and help their family. My major problem about this whole thing is they don't pay ANY taxes! WTF
If the gov't can find a way for the illegals to pay ALL back taxes and continue to pay taxes I would have a lot less of a problem of them being here.
But for them to take a day to march on the streets of America, that our tax dollars paid for, waving Mexican flags and yelling how they want to be Americans really pi$$es me off.
Oh and one more thing. If you live or want to live in the U.S. why don't you take some of your precious ciesta time and LEARN ENGLISH!!! How the hell do we have people who have lived here for 5+ years who still don't know how to hold a conversation in english (the native language).

I could go on but those are my main concerns. As I said I am all for bettering your situation and family. But just moving to America doesn't make you an American. I think most of us may be a bit peeved by all this because the responsibilities of being an American are huge. Having/holding a job, paying taxes, rent/morgage, utility bills, credit cards, gas, car(s) etc.... and still obeying the laws of your state and federal government can be quite taxing (no pun intended) on yourself. The ones who come and get a "free" ride and don't pay their dues are the real problems.

 

[FN FAL]

I am all for somebody wanting to better themself and help their family. My major problem about this whole thing is they don't pay ANY taxes! WTF?

So you're saying they ship all their food, liquor, gasoline, tobacco, oil, tires, soft drinks, etc, etc, into the country and don't buy anything here? Sales tax?

The collection of federal and state taxes is the responsibility of the state and federal governments. You know, those outfits that were supposed to keep illegals out of the country in the first place?

 

[Murdoughnut]

The ones who come and get a "free" ride and don't pay their dues are the real problems.

Under these provisions, I have to think that most of our spouses would be eligible for deportation.

 

[Skyranger777]

So you're saying they ship all their food, liquor, gasoline, tobacco, oil, tires, soft drinks, etc, etc, into the country and don't buy anything here? Sales tax?

You are correct they do pay sales tax, with their untaxed income.

 

[Skyranger777]

Under these provisions, I have to think that most of our spouses would be eligible for deportation.

Good point!

 

[FL420]

I saw far more American flags today than Mexican flags. But who really cares which flag they're flying... Or is it just so much easier to complain about that rather than defend your opinion?

The reason is that rally organizers told the marchers to buy and carry American flags instead of the Mexican flags they have been protesting with the past few weeks. All to minimize the backlash building among those of us who have made significant sacrifices for the American flag. That's why I care which flag they carry.

 

[FN FAL]

The reason is that rally organizers told the marchers to buy and carry American flags instead of the Mexican flags they have been protesting with the past few weeks. All to minimize the backlash building among those of us who have made significant sacrifices for the American flag. That's why I care which flag they carry.

Dudes/dudesses who sacrificed for a flag, are dumb heads. The ones that sacrificed for a nation made up of many sovereign states, are hero's.

In fact, the flag we wave today, superseded the one that WWII vets died waving. Were they fighting for that flag? Or this one...no, this one, no that one...

 

[FL420]

Dudes/dudesses who sacrificed for a flag, are dumb heads. The ones that sacrificed for a nation made up of many sovereign states, are hero's.

In fact, the flag we wave today, superseded the one that WWII vets died waving. Were they fighting for that flag? Or this one...no, this one, no that one...

Come on FN FAL. It's a SYMBOL for a nation and the whole history of that nation. You know that. Don't you dare denigrate the sacrifices people have made for their countries as symbolized by their flags.

 

[SansPlane]

where are the blacks?

BOND: 5 Ways a Day Without Illegals Benefits Americans; Los Angeles Residents Cite Improved Quality of Life Across the Board
To: National Desk
Contact: Ermias Alemayehu of BOND, 323-782-1980, 213-804-1872 (cell)
LOS ANGELES, May 2 -- As hundreds of thousands of pro-amnesty Hispanic immigrants walked off their jobs and skipped school to take to the streets on Monday for "A Day Without Immigrants" rallies, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), noted based on news reports and observations that "the absence of illegals greatly improved the quality of life for black Southern California residents and others across the U.S.":
Rev. Peterson cited the following ways a day without illegal aliens benefits Americans:
1. A day without illegal aliens means no lines and overcrowding at hospitals -- allowing low income and elderly Americans to receive adequate healthcare and emergency services in hospitals.
2. A day without illegals means less fraud and abuse of welfare and other government services-saving American taxpayers money across the board.
3. A day without illegals means less crimes are committed against Americans. Reports have indicated that 60 percent of California's notorious 18th Street Gang are illegal aliens. And Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has reported that the majority of MS-13 members are illegals.
4. A day without illegals means 75,000 pro-amnesty Hispanic students were absent from the Los Angeles Unified School District-making classes less crowded for American students.
5. A day without illegal aliens means fewer illegals driving and using mass transportation systems. This means fewer accidents, and less traffic on the roads. It also means better services for taxpayers riding buses and trains.
"If we could turn a day without illegals into 365 days, America would be a much better place to live," said Rev. Peterson.
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is the Founder and President of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), a nationally respected nonprofit organization. He is also a columnist and author of "SCAM: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America." For more information, visit http://www.bondinfo.org
http://www.usnewswire.com/

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Ya'll gotta read page 13 in the Denver post.... FD gave his 2 cents to the rest of the world.....

FD

 

[FN FAL]

Come on FN FAL. It's a SYMBOL for a nation and the whole history of that nation. You know that. Don't you dare denigrate the sacrifices people have made for their countries as symbolized by their flags.

I'm not the one telling people to not fly their Mexican flags.

 

[SansPlane]

Ya'll gotta read page 13 in the Denver post.... FD gave his 2 cents to the rest of the world.....

FD

Great Job FD, somebody needed to say it!


THE DENVER POST

Killing of mountain lion

Re: "Necropsy reveals suspect lion OK," April 26 news story.
The Colorado Division of Wildlife needs to change its policies regarding mountain lion attacks. The attack on the 7-year-old boy in Boulder last month was tragic, and the family did everything correctly to deter the mountain lion.
However, killing the mountain lion was a mistake. The necropsy revealed that nothing was physically wrong with the animal, which tells us this was an accident in the human world but a natural act in the animal world. The mountain lion did what it was taught to do: find the smaller-sized prey that falls behind the group and act upon that opportunity. I would like to see the DOW change its policy and, rather than destroy offending animals, tranquilize them, conduct the necessary tests, then determine if the animals can be released a safe distance from civilization.

 

[FL420]

I'm not the one telling people to not fly their Mexican flags.

Nor am I.

I am inclined to think it's more appropriate to fly Mexican flags in Mexico and not wave them in front of Americans on American soil like a matador in a bullring.

 

[FN FAL]

Nor am I.

I am inclined to think it's more appropriate to fly Mexican flags in Mexico and not wave them in front of Americans on American soil like a matador in a bullring.

But you did not portend that in your post...

Originally Posted by FL420
Come on FN FAL. It's a SYMBOL for a nation and the whole history of that nation. You know that. Don't you dare denigrate the sacrifices people have made for their countries as symbolized by their flags.

 

[FL420]

But you did not portend that in your post...

Portend?......Portend?

A couple of words beginning with the letter P come to mind. Pompous?......Pretentious?......

 

[FN FAL]

Portend?......Portend?

A couple of words beginning with the letter P come to mind. Pompous?......Pretentious?......

It's english. God save the Queen.

 

[ePilot22]

What's that old saying...

Si usted no puede batirlos, ensámblelos! Or something like that.


Viva' la Mexico!








eP. - XX

 

[LAZYB]

Nor am I.

I am inclined to think it's more appropriate to fly Mexican flags in Mexico and not wave them in front of Americans on American soil like a matador in a bullring.

Ditto!

An ugly reality

By Thomas Sowell
Apr 18, 2006


Thank heaven for the massive marches across the country by those favoring illegal immigrants. These marches revealed the ugly truth behind the fog of pious words and clever political spin from the media and from both Democrats and Republicans in Washington.


"Guest workers"? Did any of the strident speakers, with their in-your-face bombast in Spanish, sound like guests? Did they sound like people who wanted to become Americans?


Were they even asking for amnesty? They didn't sound like they were asking for anything. They sounded like they were telling. Demanding. Threatening.

Somebody must have told them that their Mexican flags that dominated the earlier marches were not making a good impression on television, so they started flying American flags. But such cosmetic changes did not keep the ugly reality from coming through in their hostile speeches.


These were not the speeches of people who wanted to join American society but people who wanted their own turf on American soil -- in disregard and defiance of what American citizens want.


Europe has already been through this "guest worker" policy that we are being urged to follow. They have learned the hard way what it means to have a growing foreign population in their midst -- a population that insists on remaining foreign and hostile to the culture, values and people around them.


Some European countries have learned this lesson at the cost of riots and bloodshed in the streets and lives lost in terrorist attacks. Others have only had to contend with national polarization -- thus far -- but polarization is not a small thing.


In this country, however, there are still people who refuse to learn any lesson at all. Some business interests see only an opportunity to get cheap labor. Some intellectuals see only abstract principles about abstract people crossing an abstract border.


Some tell us loftily that earlier generations of immigrants who were once thought to be unassimilable turned out over time to become as American as anyone else and patriotic citizens.


That might well be true of immigrants from Mexico, both legal and illegal, if the circumstances of today were the same as the circumstances during an earlier era of immigration from Europe. But circumstances are not the same -- and those circumstances are not going to become the same by pretending that they are.


The ugly display of grievance-mongering bombast at the illegal immigrant marches is just one of those circumstances that are not the same as in an earlier era.


When people came here from Europe, they came here to become Americans. There was no prouder title for them.


American generals of German ancestry led the fight against Germany in both World Wars. The Irish "Fighting 69th" earned its fame on the battlefields of the First World War and Japanese American fighting units were among the most highly decorated in World War II. They proved they were Americans.


The underlying tragedy of the present situation is that it is doubtful whether the activist loudmouths, who were too contemptuous of this country to even speak its language while demanding its benefits, represent most immigrants from Mexico.


Both legal and illegal immigrants have come here primarily to work and make a better life for themselves and their families. But a country requires more than workers. It requires people who are citizens not only in name but in commitment.



Americanization did not happen automatically in earlier times and it will not happen automatically today. Immigrants in an earlier era had leaders and organizations actively working to transform them into Americans -- the Catholic Church with the Irish and numerous organizations among the Jews, for example.


Today's immigrant activists and the politicians who kowtow to them have just the opposite agenda, to keep foreigners foreign and to make other Americans accept and adjust to that. It will be a national tragedy if they succeed.


Just what problem will amnesty solve? Illegal aliens will benefit and politicians will benefit by sweeping the illegality under the rug by making it legal. But how will American citizens benefit? America can lose big time.


Thomas Sowell is the prolific author of books such as Black Rednecks and White Liberals and Applied Economics.