More Mesa UA flying gone!

[Baronman]

Most regional pilots sold their souls to fly the RJ. We should all be flying turbo props. If you want to fly jets-go the the "majors" also know as the legacy airlines. I cannot think of too many people who said to themselves "Man I got into this business to fly for a commuter for the rest of my life" To say otherwise is very sad.

I didn't go to a regional to fly an RJ the rest of my life. That being said I wanted to go to the job that had the best contract, a domicile near me, content pilots, and good maintenance. There's no chance I would have applied to Colgan or a number of other carriers, quick upgrade or not after the stories I heard of that place (5-6 yrs ago).

 

[johnpeace]

Dude, you are clueless.. The problem is Mesa management not the pilots.. I agree their CEO is a plague but not the ones flying the planes.

Mesa management is completely impotent and powerless to shape the airline industry without the complicity of the employees.

They're in it together, partners in crime.

 

[JustaNumber]

Mesa pilots actually fought and won against that whipsaw we called "Freedom A". Funny how no one ever seems to give Mesa pilots credit for doing the right thing and standing up.

I give Mesa pilots who were around for the Freedom A fiasco some credit, although they bought Freedom A's demise by ducking much too far under the line.

But to all the Mesa pilots who came on board after that contract, which I believe is about 75% of them, I have no sympathy for you. You voluntarily signed up for MUCH reduced compensation and horrible working conditions, at a time when every other regional was hiring like gangbusters. There was absolutely NO reason to go to Mesa other than 1) you were clueless about the industry, or 2) you intentionally put up with the BS "Yeah, we know it's a hellhole, but we're just here to get our thousand PIC and then we're outta here", just to get the quick upgrade much faster than you could have gotten at a more respectable regional (sounds oxymoronic, but there are huge differences). You rolled the dice to cut the line, destroying the lives of all the rest of the people in line, and now when the company is falling apart because it was never sustainable to begin with, you lose. That's life, don't expect too much sympathy from the rest of us who were standing in that line.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

This thread is greatness! You have the hypocracy of other regional, commuter, subcontractor, whatever you choose to be called lashing out at what they feel is a bottom feeder. Don't you realize it would be like the Mexican factory workers(that would be the asa, egl, skw etc) lashing out at the Chinese factory workers(mesa, rah, colgan etc) who underbid them. REALITY CHECK. You all work for companies that rely on cheap, overworked labor. YOU and YOUR companies have destroyed many more lives and careers then Mesa ever did to you. Good luck to the furloughed mesa pilots.

 

[JustaNumber]

This thread is greatness! You have the hypocracy of other regional, commuter, subcontractor, whatever you choose to be called lashing out at what they feel is a bottom feeder. Don't you realize it would be like the Mexican factory workers(that would be the asa, egl, skw etc) lashing out at the Chinese factory workers(mesa, rah, colgan etc) who underbid them. REALITY CHECK. You all work for companies that rely on cheap, overworked labor. YOU and YOUR companies have destroyed many more lives and careers then Mesa ever did to you. Good luck to the furloughed mesa pilots.

Unlike your holiness, most of us have to start at entry level jobs in order to make it to the "big leagues." It's the choices that people make along the way that actually make a huge difference. If every regional had followed Comair's lead in 2001, the regional cost structure would not be leaps and bounds cheaper than mainline, and you wouldn't see half the flying in the U.S. now performed by regionals.

Your attitude seems to be, only the great pilots are born at the majors, or else everyone needs to just shut up, do their time at the craphole regionals, and move on to a "real piloting job." But that attitude is what has caused all the undercutting that is now eroding YOUR compensation and job security.

 

[no1pilot2000]

And the Theme music from "RockY" fades in.....

"Get up, go over to your window, put your head out, and yell, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!!"

 

[buscap]

This thread is greatness! You have the hypocracy of other regional, commuter, subcontractor, whatever you choose to be called lashing out at what they feel is a bottom feeder. Don't you realize it would be like the Mexican factory workers(that would be the asa, egl, skw etc) lashing out at the Chinese factory workers(mesa, rah, colgan etc) who underbid them. REALITY CHECK. You all work for companies that rely on cheap, overworked labor. YOU and YOUR companies have destroyed many more lives and careers then Mesa ever did to you. Good luck to the furloughed mesa pilots.

KEEEEESSSSS my aaaasssss you turd burglar!!!

I get paid more per segment, seat mile, passenger...whatever you wanna call it...I get paid more per whatever, to fly my stupid little RJ than most mainline guys.

So pucker up and start sucking, because after all, those mainline guys are the low-ballers by some measures!!!

Nanner nanner booo booo!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

The cheapest regional in the DCI portfolio is actually Compass, which was negotiated by mainline NWA pilots.

I don't think any of us are really in a position to throw stones since we are in the same glass house....We have created a system where these jobs are "only" considered "stepping stone" jobs...That is the primary reason we have this problem....Starting FO pay at every regional and every major is a joke...

If we are simply going to blame Mesa pilots for this problem.....then we don't really understand the problem.....

 

[B.T.Justice]

This is what happens when management takes a deal to get a deal done. Mesa signed the UAL and DAL contracts with leases that continue far beyond the length of the contracts. This is why SKYW doesn't have a deal with Continental, management wasn't willing to bet the farm for the sake of getting a deal.

 

[Fltlvls]

Unlike your holiness, most of us have to start at entry level jobs in order to make it to the "big leagues." It's the choices that people make along the way that actually make a huge difference. If every regional had followed Comair's lead in 2001, the regional cost structure would not be leaps and bounds cheaper than mainline, and you wouldn't see half the flying in the U.S. now performed by regionals.

Your attitude seems to be, only the great pilots are born at the majors, or else everyone needs to just shut up, do their time at the craphole regionals, and move on to a "real piloting job." But that attitude is what has caused all the undercutting that is now eroding YOUR compensation and job security.

So why are you still at a regional?....Let me guess..You lost your dream shot at a legacy because you wanted to stay at your regional with a "stellar" contract..Sounds like you are a lifer

 

[CaribPilot]

Cry me a river folks..........a freaking river. Welcome to corporate America.

 

[Ameriagle]

The reality is that many of the "Mesa Sucks" crowd probably applied at Mesa at some point in their careers! Mesa just wasn't the first to call with a job offer. That make you lucky, not better! Sorry to hear there are more pilots on the street!

 

[SEVEN]

Best thing mainline could do is cut the puppet strings on ALL the regionals and park every single RJ, then no one group could blame the other for their demise.

Great idea. NOT. Maybe you could explain who will fly the passengers from Iron Mountain MI to DTW or MSP. Good luck trying to get a 757 in there. Those guys can't even land on the runway let alone a short runway. Are you familiar with the term "hub and spoke" system? It's the way the ariline industry is set up. If you "cut" the puppet strings, there will be no one to bring the passengers from the smaller cities to the hubs for the real pilots to take them to their destination. So, your proposed solution would collapse the entire industry.

 

[SEVEN]

The reality is that many of the "Mesa Sucks" crowd probably applied at Mesa at some point in their careers! Mesa just wasn't the first to call with a job offer. That make you lucky, not better! Sorry to hear there are more pilots on the street!

Not true. It's the other way around. The Mesa pilots couldn't get a job at a decent regional, applied at Mesa and were hired. No smart person would work for an airline that requires you to sleep on a board in the airplane on a CDO. That place can't get shut down quick enough. Time for bankruptcy!!!

 

[Broke in CVG]

The reality is that many of the "Mesa Sucks" crowd probably applied at Mesa at some point in their careers! Mesa just wasn't the first to call with a job offer. That make you lucky, not better! Sorry to hear there are more pilots on the street!

Actually not. In my case, I even refused to apply to Comair until after they dropped the PFT. It cost me quite a bit of seniority but I refused to compromise my principals. As such, I would do something else before I would ever work for Mesa as I refuse to contribute to the degradation of the industry.

I can honestly say that with every vote that I have cast since being at a 121 carrier that I have not whored myself for growth or any other empty promises. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for my fellow pilots even some at my carrier. Many of the Sr pilots here threw the reserves under the buss during our last LOA and are now ironically living under those same rules they agreed to but thought they would never be effected by. I am always amazed at the number of people that are just uncapable of viewing the big picture when it comes to casting their ballots.

 

[Ameriagle]

Great idea. NOT. Maybe you could explain who will fly the passengers from Iron Mountain MI to DTW or MSP. Good luck trying to get a 757 in there. Those guys can't even land on the runway let alone a short runway. Are you familiar with the term "hub and spoke" system? It's the way the ariline industry is set up. If you "cut" the puppet strings, there will be no one to bring the passengers from the smaller cities to the hubs for the real pilots to take them to their destination. So, your proposed solution would collapse the entire industry.

Great insight! Wikipedia cut and paste?

 

[Ameriagle]

Not true. It's the other way around. The Mesa pilots couldn't get a job at a decent regional, applied at Mesa and were hired. No smart person would work for an airline that requires you to sleep on a board in the airplane on a CDO. That place can't get shut down quick enough. Time for bankruptcy!!!

Says the "Mesa Sucks" crowd!

 

[SEVEN]

Great insight! Wikipedia cut and paste?

Nope. Just a little common sense which is becoming very uncommon.

 

[SEVEN]

Says the "Mesa Sucks" crowd!

The Mesa-Sucks crowd bases it's bias on a simple list of negative vs. positive. The number of negative aspects vs. positive aspects is overwhelming. That's how sane, common sense people come to their conclusions. And the conclusion on Mesa is: it is a bottom feeder that has, for years, done major damage to the regional airline industry in a variety of ways. There are many facts to back up the Mesa Sucks montra. If you do a search, it won't take long to come to the only sensible conclusion many already know. MESA is a BAD, BAD Place.
End of story.

 

[olympus593]

Mesa suck, suck, suck.