More growth for ASA

[Tomct]

:angryfireYou got that RIGHT Go Around!! We are NOT taking pay cuts and they finally got that through their THICK heads! They realized that if they kept up the kool aid parties, they would have a lot of airplanes sitting!!!! We are all sick and tired of the BS and they know that WE (ASA) are NOT going to take it. Now, the ball is in the court of the Skywst pilots because I know that they are more expensive to operate, but JA is trying to keep his pilot group thinking that IF they get the airplanes, THEY will keep the Union off property!!! Hopefully they are smarter than THAT, WHO KNOWS!!
Stand United ASA PILOTS!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

A couple of points,

1) We do not have a rate in our contract for flying an aircraft with greater than 70 seats. If they want to stuff a first class, or more seats in the tube I fly, then they are doing it for one reason........MORE REVENUE! For most of history, airline pilot pay has been based on the capacity to generate revenue. More revenue, more pay. It is a concession to fly the 705 at our current 70 RATES! While I could see the same group of pilots flying it (very few differences compared to the 200-700), I think there ought to be a couple of bucks an hour override, or something similar. I also feel that our F/A's ought to get a premium for the training and service for first class.

2) In Jerry's World, I see more of what happened this winter with airplanes headed to ASA and then shifted to Skywest because of costs. Even though the latest DOT Form 41 data shows that ASA's cost per block hour is $1760 ($322 flight crew) compares to Skywest's cost of $2087 per hour ($327 flight crew). When asked about this differnce in cost, JA claimed the numbers posted to the DOT were BS. Hummm??? So, tell us the truth. OK, I'll tell you. It is all about controlling the union. These last minute shifts are a one, two punch for JA. It beats ASA down, and it lifts up Skywest. Thereby creating a morale that will hopefully keep off the union even though it is costing him more.

If JA really wanted to save money all it would cost him is about 10 bucks. That would cover the cost of a padlock and three feet of chain to wrap around the front door handles of 100 Hartsfield Centre Parkway.

1. You can try for that, but my understanding is that even the Delta pilots no longer get an overide on the 76 versus the 75. General?

2. Jerry has limited maneuvering room when it comes to games like that. Unlike when we were owned by Delta, and ASA was accountable to no one (no ASA shareholders), Atkin has shareholders and a board of directors. If he's operating the company unprofitably just to punish ASA ALPA, it won't last long.

 

[paid4training]

The mins are 1200/200. After I submitted my resume, a lady called me back and said that I did not have the proper mins (1000/100). But luckily I had some King Air SIC time by the grace of God, and they told me that helped me to get an application and interview date after I explained my situation.

What situation...the Gay porn star situation? sorry had to!!!:beer:

 

[~~~^~~~]

The reason ASA's costs are lower in the DOT numbers could be the 50 seat pay being less than the 50 seat pay at SkyWest. I also don't know, but ASA's stage length could be longer, which would have the effect of lowering costs.

Is Scott Hall being correctly quoted about not honoring this contract? If so, that would make it very hard for the Company to win a grievance. As far as honoring the next contract, has anyone seen the language? Section 13 might not be a done deal if it continues the practices of unlimited involuntary out of seniority junior manning, no compensation (in days off) for days off taken and a better reserve system.

When the bottom 1/4th, or 1/3rd, of the seniority list on the CRJ700 is either bidding FO at another base, or hatching some other scheme to take a pay cut to get off reserve, it is a pretty strong indicator that something is wrong in scheduling. 70 seat pay apparently is not worth having to be crew scheduling's detainee.

 

[Phony Marconi]

The reason ASA's costs are lower in the DOT numbers could be the 50 seat pay being less than the 50 seat pay at SkyWest. I also don't know, but ASA's stage length could be longer, which would have the effect of lowering costs.

Is Scott Hall being correctly quoted about not honoring this contract? If so, that would make it very hard for the Company to win a grievance. As far as honoring the next contract, has anyone seen the language? Section 13 might not be a done deal if it continues the practices of unlimited involuntary out of seniority junior manning, no compensation (in days off) for days off taken and a better reserve system.

When the bottom 1/4th, or 1/3rd, of the seniority list on the CRJ700 is either bidding FO at another base, or hatching some other scheme to take a pay cut to get off reserve, it is a pretty strong indicator that something is wrong in scheduling. 70 seat pay apparently is not worth having to be crew scheduling's detainee.

YES! Very well-said.

If we had clear-headed, no BS guys like you in charge, we wouldn't be in such bad shape. Yo, LeBarbeque, get the f&%k outta here!

 

[FL990]

The mins are 1200/200. After I submitted my resume, a lady called me back and said that I did not have the proper mins (1000/100). But luckily I had some King Air SIC time by the grace of God, and they told me that helped me to get an application and interview date after I explained my situation.

just out of curiosity, what kind of king air were you flying that you could log SIC time??

 

[HoserASA]

As far as honoring the next contract, has anyone seen the language? Section 13 might not be a done deal if it continues the practices of unlimited involuntary out of seniority junior manning, no compensation (in days off) for days off taken and a better reserve system.

Only the association negotiating committee and the MEC, and the company of course, are privy to the language. As a pilot, you'll see the language when the MEC accepts the negoiated contract, and then you will vote for or against it. Section 13 has been TA'd, but like you say, it's not a 'done deal' until the entire contract is voted in.

As a pilot-to-pilot member, our briefing last week from the negotiating committee chairman had nothing but positive comments for Secton 13. Better language, more hoops for schedulers to go thru before extending a lineholder, long & short call reserve, and a section that will be easier to understand and follow by ASA pilots. No details were given just a broad overview but John Rice (Negot. Comm. Chair) was very satisfied with the end results.

Next time you see the negotiators in the crew lounge, talk to them and thank them for their hard work. They deserve it. Ask them about your concerns too. They will listen and note your concerns. And, they don't bite so talk to them!

Hoser

 

[BoilerUP]

just out of curiosity, what kind of king air were you flying that you could log SIC time??

Could have been a 350 or pt. 135 SIC time...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Could have been a 350 or pt. 135 SIC time...

The 350 doesn't require 2 pirates does it???

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The 350 doesn't require 2 pirates does it???

Don't think so. It requires a type, but it's still single pirate, I think.