More Delta Trouble

[General Lee]

General Leo;

Bad enough to give another 10-20% giveback? No? Why not? Everyone else is doing it. Your 'Drastic Times' call to action applies only to groups other than the DALPA seniors.



You are too detached from the real world. We had 20 recalls in April and only 16 scheduled for May. In case you can't figure it out General Math Wiz, that's a decline. And it will continue as the less fuel efficeint planes are retired.

Your frenzied support of the staus quo illustrates your total misunderstanding and intentional mischaracterization of the situation. You and your senior buddies are going down, big time.

Davie,

May was supposed to have 10. Are you paying attention to the code-a-phones? Also, we were supposed to have NONE for the year, and then ALPA got them to change it to around 125. Did you know that genius? And, to top it off, looks like we might have another large chunk of retirements in May due to the Gatt rate rising. Again, more recalls are probable. Do you have ADD?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[8vATE]

One Goldman Sachs analyst is projecting possible super spikes in oil as high as $105 a barrel. Yikes!!!

Of course, you can sit around and hope other carriers die first...as I'm sure you do. But not only is that pathetic, but it's just a bad business plan.

I heard about that $105 barrel projection and just about lost my lunch...

FWIW..

I believe Delta IS being proactive .....
Simplifares... the ATL hub reorganization... Song....

Look at what Continental and NWA have done...
not much by comparison..

Its too bad labor couldn't come to the table earlier though..
But that's the nature of the beast...

The trend has been multiple givebacks.... UAL, USAirways....
The target keeps moving lower and lower...

 

[DaveGriffin]

Davie,

May was supposed to have 10. Are you paying attention to the code-a-phones? Also, we were supposed to have NONE for the year, and then ALPA got them to change it to around 125. Did you know that genius? And, to top it off, looks like we might have another large chunk of retirements in May due to the Gatt rate rising. Again, more recalls are probable. Do you have ADD?


Bye Bye--General Lee

The recall update kool aide from Larry is weak and worthless. He's got a paying job, and it is to keep the remaining furloughs happy and smiling while the boots of the seniors are placed firmly up their rear ends.

A decline is a decline, no matter how you spin it General Leo. Let's check the rate of recall at the end of the year and see how great it is.

From your perspective, the more juniors who stay furloughed the better. If the furloughs 0% pay rate funds Delta's survival until oil drops back to $40 or lower, that is far better for the pilots with paychecks than an additional 10-20% giveback.

With that in mind, I'm sure you wouldn't really mind additional furloughs, even with a downgrade, as long as it stops about 100 away from you.

 

[General Lee]

The recall update kool aide from Larry is weak and worthless. He's got a paying job, and it is to keep the remaining furloughs happy and smiling while the boots of the seniors are placed firmly up their rear ends.

A decline is a decline, no matter how you spin it General Leo. Let's check the rate of recall at the end of the year and see how great it is.

From your perspective, the more juniors who stay furloughed the better. If the furloughs 0% pay rate funds Delta's survival until oil drops back to $40 or lower, that is far better for the pilots with paychecks than an additional 10-20% giveback.

With that in mind, I'm sure you wouldn't really mind additional furloughs, even with a downgrade, as long as it stops about 100 away from you.

Now you are attacking the furlough coordinator, who is also furloughed and has a decent pay check. You are a classic Davie.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N2264J]

Originally Posted by N2264J
I doubt the price of oil will ever come down. We are competing on a global market for the same limited natural resources with other huge countries like China and India that are industrializing like gangbusters.

This ain't no cycle - the earth has shifted beneath our feet.

A fuel surcharge that sticks shatters your statement. We have had 3 so far, and more to come.

OK, I'll bite. Walk me through how Delta putting a fuel surcharge on ticket prices somehow debunks the reality that the US is competing for the same oil with other economic powerhouses in the world, thereby making the likelihood of oil prices ever again being what they were in the 90s, remote.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Now you are attacking the furlough coordinator, who is also furloughed and has a decent pay check. You are a classic Davie.



Bye Bye--General Lee

My apologies General Leo, to you and your yard boy.

I didn't realize that I was treading on such a sensitive topic. I guess you and LD (Mr. Monotone) are closer than I thought, if you know what I mean.

If I can avoid you and your 'parking lot committee', I'll see you at the Delta Shareholders' meeting on 19 May in ATL (you know, my $5B investment).

 

[General Lee]

My apologies General Leo, to you and your yard boy.

I didn't realize that I was treading on such a sensitive topic. I guess you and LD (Mr. Monotone) are closer than I thought, if you know what I mean.

If I can avoid you and your 'parking lot committee', I'll see you at the Delta Shareholders' meeting on 19 May in ATL (you know, my $5B investment).

Won't you still be in the corner sulking during that time Dave? I was not furloughed, but I think LD is doing the best job that he can. Could you do better? Doubt it.

And, expect more recalls soon due to May retirements. But remember Davie, we are limited on sims thanks to all of the other training.....


Bye Bye--"General Leo"

 

[DaveGriffin]

News Flash

..... I was not furloughed......

No sh*t, General Leo.

 

[General Lee]

No sh*t, General Leo.

Well, I guess I could have volunteered? Sorry I was hired in 96.....? Sometimes life tosses you a curve ball. Get back up there Davie and try to take another pitch----I bet this time you will hit it out of the park.......


Bye Bye---Uncle General Lee

 

[DaveGriffin]

Well, I guess I could have volunteered? Sorry I was hired in 96.....? Sometimes life tosses you a curve ball. Get back up there Davie and try to take another pitch----I bet this time you will hit it out of the park.......


Bye Bye---Uncle General Lee

Great advice from a guy with a paycheck, who keeps reminding the furloughees what a great effort all the seniors have made on the the furloughs behalf.

Your BS stinks, whether you realize it or not.

Thanks so much, to you and your yard boy.

 

[General Lee]

Great advice from a guy with a paycheck, who keeps reminding the furloughees what a great effort all the seniors have made on the the furloughs behalf.

Your BS stinks, whether you realize it or not.

Thanks so much, to you and your yard boy.

Say again? The seniors have done more this time than the other major furlough in the early 90's. Not much you can do when Leo Mullin decided 400 would go on Nov 1st, 2001. He also parked a bunch of 73S Express planes. What did you want the seniors to do? They offered Cobra and they fought for your return a couple times. You have to come back in seniority order, and the recalls are coming back now as fast as Delta can train them, along with keeping the current planes flying after 1000 captain retirements. That is the way it is, and getting mad at the people who are still flying the planes so you can have a company to come back to is wrong. Sulking will not make it any faster.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[8vATE]

A fuel surcharge that sticks shatters your statement. We have had 3 so far, and more to come.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Higher ticket prices are good news..

But don't get too far from you ECON 101 book..

It will affect demand...
And capacity will need to be reduced..

 

[General Lee]

Higher ticket prices are good news..

But don't get too far from you ECON 101 book..

It will affect demand...
And capacity will need to be reduced..

I thought travel this Summer was going to result in the highest loads ever? There will always be a let down in September, but in the meantime I think Summer will support higher prices. And, if you voluntarily reduce capacity in one market, how do you know if another LCC (like Airtran in ATL) wouldn't increase capacity there?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[8vATE]

I thought travel this Summer was going to result in the highest loads ever? There will always be a let down in September, but in the meantime I think Summer will support higher prices. And, if you voluntarily reduce capacity in one market, how do you know if another LCC (like Airtran in ATL) wouldn't increase capacity there?


Bye Bye--General Lee

I hope the traffic stays there..

But preserving or protecting market share (not reducing capacity while not charging enough to cover your casm OR not making your b/e load factor) is what got most of the industry to where it is now....

there is no doubt the airplanes are pretty full now....
hope that remains with the fare increases..

reminds me more of playing chicken in a car than anything else...
who blinks first..


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[General Lee]

I hope the traffic stays there..

But preserving or protecting market share (not reducing capacity while not charging enough to cover your casm OR not making your b/e load factor) is what got most of the industry to where it is now....

there is no doubt the airplanes are pretty full now....
hope that remains with the fare increases..

reminds me more of playing chicken in a car than anything else...
who blinks first..


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True. We all know loads will come down in September thru mid Nov, and then down until Xmas. It has been that way forever. September is the month Song brings in a lot of it's planes for MX, since we know it will be slower. And, as you can see, we just added another fare increase. I think people will pay whatever for Summer travel, but not after that. I guess it is smart to go ahead and try to capitalize on that now. We need the extra cash for SEP.


Bye Bye---General Lee