More Dates for ASA

[russtgol]

You ASAholes sure have alot of problems over there... What are you guys going to do when Skywest takes all of your airplanes?

 

[Jmoney]

Show me.....

884 million isn't "net"..... The net is much smaller....

Net margins in the regional business have been shrinking for the past 8 years or so as mainline carriers put the squeeze on the regionals.....

Show me another line of work where you can make a 14% profit margin...... Ain't too many out there-sure there are a few, like software, and maybe crude oil-(oh, wait, the greedy oil companies only make about 6%) We are making more than double that 6% for these a-holes every day and they won't come off a dime more than we agreed to almost 10 years ago!

The RJDC can't fix this mess, ALPA isn't a cure-all, but it sure is better than getting crap unilaterally rammed down our throats and having nothing to say about it-like the non-unionized pilots do! Please just forget about the RJDC-that horse has been beat til it ain't nothing but a pile of hamburger meat! ALPA can't come up with a "branded" regional network any more than they can guarantee that each of us will pilot a space shuttle-because there are lots of Mesas and GoJets waiting around to screw their fellow pilots. I don't see a durn thing ALPA could do differently for us.

The sad truth is that we are caught in the middle of a pissing contest between JA and his company. He dosn't give a rat's empennage about us or even his own employees-the only thing he cares about is increasing his net worth. This will probably turn out poorly in the long run. Truth is there is not much ALPA can do differently, and certainly nothing over in RJDC dreamland that wll help even one of us!

The problem is in this retarted Railroad Labor Act-it simply makes it impossible to negotiate-that is not ALPA's fault.

 

[HoserASA]

The problem is in this retarted Railroad Labor Act-it simply makes it impossible to negotiate-that is not ALPA's fault.

Bingo (as Joe likes to say)!

And when a certain Delta VP has been lobbying the NMB that a release will damage Delta, and the NMB favors management and agrees, there you go, more dates for us, no matter that they'll be unproductive. All I can say is fly very very safely, and by the book to protect yourself.

Hoser

 

[rightseatjocky]

asaholes, laughing. I am an asahole. hmm I don't think that will happen. Skywest can't fill their classes now. hmm think about that.

 

[av8er2]

The pilots need to put even more pressure on them over the next few days.

 

[AutoTransfer]

Safety above all.

Bryan L and company are holding fistsfulls of $$$$ and laughing at all of you that are doing whatever it takes to get back on time or make your flight home.

Our passengers deserve to have the safest transportation that Atkin's money can buy.

Fly Safe and Fly the Contract.

AT

 

[WWEfan]

You ASAholes sure have alot of problems over there... What are you guys going to do when Skywest takes all of your airplanes?

I wonder what the SkyWest pilots are gonna do once Jerry finally decides to get rid of ASA management and merge the two airlines.

I'm glad we have representation and will have a voice during those integration discussions. The SkyWest pilots will have no such voice without ALPA.

 

[Texx]

Bingo (as Joe likes to say)!

And when a certain Delta VP has been lobbying the NMB that a release will damage Delta, and the NMB favors management and agrees, there you go, more dates for us, no matter that they'll be unproductive. All I can say is fly very very safely, and by the book to protect yourself.

Hoser

You wouldn't be talking about this guy would you?

Look at the law firm he use to work for.

http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate_information/corporate_biographies/campbell/

 

[OpsCheckGood]

Have you read the scope section open issues list? Or are you like most people that don't know what the issues are, don't know who your reps are, and don't know what the industry standard is on all the issues.... but gosh darnit, you just know your pissed because.... well just because....

If it defeats ALPA and unions, then it is cheaper to transfer airplanes.... Our scope proposal doesn't prevent that...

Joe, I love you man. And you're absolutely write (you like that one? Write?) I'm undereducated and completely ignorant to all issues. I'm not an ALPA cheerleader as you call it, but right now they are the only ones screaming for anything in my favor. (in the near future anyway) I'm sorry, except for the contract in 90 days with superior freakin everything. But, back to the point, you're right. Myself and most of the rest of my ignorant co-workers blindly follow anything ALPA tells us just because. It's amazing I can even dress myself. Guess that's why I wear a uniform! So, tell me what I should really do next, not something vague like putting ALPAs feat to the fire, but real stuff.....where too? And does anyone in the world besides you and LJ actually have a clue?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I wonder what the SkyWest pilots are gonna do once Jerry finally decides to get rid of ASA management and merge the two airlines.

I'm glad we have representation and will have a voice during those integration discussions. The SkyWest pilots will have no such voice without ALPA.

So let me get this straight WWEfan.... ALPA says they can't negotiate a single list, but you say Jerry is going to do it anyway.... I guess Jerry is the one to go with then.... We need a single list and ALPA says "we can't do it"..... You say Jerry is going to do it.... He's got my vote then....

By the way, the Skywest pilots still get ALG/Mohawk arbitration in an integration... something ALPA doesn't want to talk about....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, I love you man. And you're absolutely write (you like that one? Write?) I'm undereducated and completely ignorant to all issues. I'm not an ALPA cheerleader as you call it, but right now they are the only ones screaming for anything in my favor. (in the near future anyway) I'm sorry, except for the contract in 90 days with superior freakin everything. But, back to the point, you're right. Myself and most of the rest of my ignorant co-workers blindly follow anything ALPA tells us just because. It's amazing I can even dress myself. Guess that's why I wear a uniform! So, tell me what I should really do next, not something vague like putting ALPAs feat to the fire, but real stuff.....where too? And does anyone in the world besides you and LJ actually have a clue?

Did you read our scope proposal? What do you think of it? Prove me wrong..... It is a joke and does nothing to protect us.....

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

The vote will fail, and it really is irrelevant to our situation..... For some reason people think the whipsaw will stop if Skywest becomes ALPA.....
I hope that you are right joe. I just don't think they will vote it in. I jump seat on them everyweek and with the feeling I get from them, they just aren't ready for the union.

I wouldn't be so quick to make that assumption fellas. I fly with alot of folks who are tired of the status quo around skw. personnaly, I'm just gonna wait for the vote.

 

[jeroom]

You ASAholes sure have alot of problems over there... What are you guys going to do when Skywest takes all of your airplanes?

I'll go see your mom...

 

[John Pennekamp]

You ASAholes sure have alot of problems over there... What are you guys going to do when Skywest takes all of your airplanes?

We're going to have settled our contract by then. We'll have a scope clause to protect us. Then we'll push for a DOH merger and the Skywest pilots will get steamrolled since they'll have no representation. I hope you 3 year CRJ-900 captains enjoy being my FO. Tool.

 

[buscap]

We're going to have settled our contract by then. We'll have a scope clause to protect us. Then we'll push for a DOH merger and the Skywest pilots will get steamrolled since they'll have no representation. I hope you 3 year CRJ-900 captains enjoy being my FO. Tool.

Lame.

Really lame.

Please tell me you're kidding.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Lame.

Really lame.

Please tell me you're kidding.

Yes, I'm kidding. One stupid post deserves another.

 

[WWEfan]

I think it is important to note that the NMB has NOT called for more negotiations. I'm not sure why Bryan LeBBQ stated such in his weekly update, but an ALPA rep that I talked to said this is merely a meeting. (probably to discuss future negotiations dates in 2 months)

Don't expect any negotiating to take place next week is all I'm saying.

 

[HoserASA]

It's a surprise to ALPA.... They said this was going to be it... A release was the only choice.... Oh wait that was the last round of negotiations...

Not a surprise to some of us......

As JB continues to spin his crap, here's the real scoop:

Representatives of our MEC, along with ALPA President Captain John Prater, will meet with members of the National Mediation Board (NMB) Wednesday, September 26 to discuss the status of our negotiations. The meeting was called by the NMB Friday. Details as to a time and location are still being worked out.

Nothing there about negotiations, but that could change. As the details come out, they will be posted.

Hoser

 

[sweptback]

Notice how it said "members of the NMB" and not "mediator"...

 

[atlcrjdriver]

How much more information does the NMB need on our negotiations. Didn't they hold a "meeting" just before they sent everyone home. What new intel can be gained from this waste of time???

 

[Beach Boy]

Scoping out intellectual arguments

Well, since that part has not been TA'd, I'm holding out hope. I will not vote for any TA that does not include protection from what I believe Skywest/Delta is planning after the contract gets signed, which is retire ASA 200's and replace them with a Skywest (or Pinnacle/Mesa) 900. They are set up in ATL now, and given the choice of giving replacement airframes to ASA or Skywest....JA will pick Skywest everyday and twice on Sunday! WE MUST PROTECT OUR JOBS!

You seem to have the position that its a foregone conclusion that ASA aircraft will be transfered to Skywest. Why is that? No not why you have the foregone conclusion but why is it that JA would WANT to transfer aircraft to Skywest? Two RATIONAL reasons come to mind.

1. It makes economic sense over the long term to transfer aircraft since Skywest operating costs are lower than ASAs. JA knows that lower operating costs makes the company more competitive and thus more secure.

If ASA compensation rates and operating costs are so far behind Skywest and the rest of the industry - why would that be the case? If that is true then WE should be the lower cost option. It should be the Skywest pilots who should be worrying about scope. Could it be that our operating costs are not? Depends on the individuals you ask and the sources you quote. Eclar Consulting completed an analysis of regional airline non-fuel related operating costs for Aviation Week and Space Technology that was published in the November 6, 2006 issue. According to their analysis, as of 2006, ASA labor rates were more expensive than SW and our operating costs were also. Its only one analysis but significant as they have no dog in this fight.

Since labor rates are tied to productivity and since operating costs are tied to both productivity and the operating culture of the pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics, you can't just compare labor rates. For example could it be that Skywest is more productive and therefore less expensive in moving passengers because their pilots fly across aircraft sizes? Could this possibly reduce the required numbers of crews Skywest has to hire compared to ASA? Nah - that couldn't be it, but I digress.

2. JA wants to transfer assets to an employee group that is overall more company friendly, and customer service oriented, knowing that those qualities ultimately manifest themselves in a more competitive market position.

Could it be that Skywest pilots are overall more happy with their working conditions than ASA pilots? How could it be that a non-union carrier has a better working environment - that can't happen! Everyone knows that unions deliver higher wages, better benefits, and better work rules - or do they? That is an arguable question with facts to support both sides.

Question? If these two conditions are true, then why don't we create an environment where the incentive is to transfer aircraft FROM SKYWEST to ASA?

All of you who are calling for the destruction of our customer service numbers, slowing down the operation, etc, are simply incentivizing JA to move ASA aircraft to SW. All of you who refuse to adhere to the fuel savings program are increasing operating costs and reducing profitability. Thus all you are doing is validating management's argument that they can't afford the compensation levels we are asking for. You call for improvements in scope but create precisely the environment that requires scope and incentivizes JA to break the union. In short, you are playing right into JA's hands - he must be laughing his ass off reading these posts.

The lack of critical thinking skills in some of these posts are downright scary.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The lack of critical thinking skills in some of these posts are downright scary.

Almost scary enough that some of us might forget to revise our Jepps, thereby crashing into a radio tower and killing many loved ones. Talk to me like I'm a child a little bit more, BW. It seems to be your strong suit, both in spoken and written word.

 

[ASARJMan]

BW! Oh man, is he back again with his pro-mgt sermons? What a jerk.

 

[John Pennekamp]

All of you who are calling for the destruction of our customer service numbers, slowing down the operation, etc, are simply incentivizing JA to move ASA aircraft to SW. All of you who refuse to adhere to the fuel savings program are increasing operating costs and reducing profitability. Thus all you are doing is validating management's argument that they can't afford the compensation levels we are asking for. You call for improvements in scope but create precisely the environment that requires scope and incentivizes JA to break the union. In short, you are playing right into JA's hands - he must be laughing his ass off reading these posts.

The lack of critical thinking skills in some of these posts are downright scary.

Brian, I have only one question, are your Jepps up to date? Putz.

You are not one of us, you are one of them. Your propensity for burying your nose in the rear end of whatever ASA manager your trying to impress that week is tiresome. Stop talking down to us and treating us like your children. You have no right to lecture anyone. You are quite possibly the only person at ASA with less credibility than Breiling.

Ps, "incentivizes" is not a word. Stop with the management-speak buzz words.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

How many believe this meeting w/ the board is to issue the long awaited PROFFER OF ARBITRATION? The timing would be right to have a TA before the busy holiday tvl begins. The vote and official signing wouldn't be complete until early next year.

 

[ASARJMan]

It'll just be turned down by ALPA, and the NMB knows that. They could still offer it to further delay things but they know it won't resolve anything. The company needs a deadline to work against/for, and a release is the only way for that to occur. Probally won't happen. May park us. Who knows.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

The proffer would do just that, once ALPA rejects it the 30-day cooling off period begins.

 

[Medeco]

The Jepps boy returns. I wonder if he was wearing his silly leather hat while writing this latest post.

BW, the problem with you is that while informed and accurate in many respects, you lack basic social skills required to back up you assesment of the topic. Therefore, you lose respect of your peers.

I lost respect for you after one week of your basic indoc class.

Then the fictional, Jepps article written in V1, were you made it clear that you believe you are far superior to all others.

Then your letter in the V files.

Need I say more about your social skills?

ok I will

You see Brian, you may find it cool within yourself, to be described as an "equal oportunity a$$hole" , but you have no friends, and deep down in your over worked brain you really do care what people think of you.

See, all these people you have around you are thinking to themselves, "dang I wish he'd shut the Fuc$ up!", yet your thinking your talking to a friend who values your opinion.

But I digress.


Medeco

 

[John Pennekamp]

The Jepps boy returns. I wonder if he was wearing his silly leather hat while writing this latest post.

BW, the problem with you is that while informed and accurate in many respects, you lack basic social skills required to back up you assesment of the topic. Therefore, you lose respect of your peers.

I lost respect for you after one week of your basic indoc class.

Then the fictional, Jepps article written in V1, were you made it clear that you believe you are far superior to all others.

Then your letter in the V files.

Need I say more about your social skills?

ok I will

You see Brian, you may find it cool within yourself, to be described as an "equal oportunity a$$hole" , but you have no friends, and deep down in your over worked brain you really do care what people think of you.

See, all these people you have around you are thinking to themselves, "dang I wish he'd shut the Fuc$ up!", yet your thinking your talking to a friend who values your opinion.

But I digress.


Medeco

Nicely put. My thoughts exactly, but much more eloquent. Cheers. :beer:

 

[shamrock]

Any chance someone could clue me in on this by refreshing my memory about the "Jepps" article?