More 700s on the way for ASA & Skywest

[strega7]

If Delta goes away, couldn't Skywest buy the Delta operating certificate and some ex-Delta 737's and start an LCC pretty quick? Sure it may take a few months (like the Indy/NWA thing) but in less than 6 months Skywest could be up and running and feeding it's self in ATL. Or Skywest could contract with the likes of RyanAir or another 737 operater and get an LCC operation up PDQ. I'm pretty sure Jerry Atkin has a plan, it might be painful in the short term but he'll survive.

 

[79%N1]

Oh Please, please, please Gen Lee.....will you pretty please vote yes so I can have more 70 seaters!!! I'll take whatever you vote to give me. My career, no.....my life is in your hands!

 

[Tomct]

I do NOT want Big D to go away, but GL, strega may be onto something. IF Ma D went away, there are contract carriers out there "ryan" that could fly until enough guys were trained to take over the routes etc. Who KNOWS!!
Did'nt Skwst get the leases on all the gates in ATL? Funnier things have happened! Good Luck To ALL of US!!

 

[ohplease!]

It is more theirs than it is yours. The flying they chose not to do (50 and 70 seaters), is not theirs. It is Delta's flying(the company), they could kick you to the curb tomorrow (yea yea you guys have a contract!, well there are ways around that).

its all the companies. The DL pilots didn't "choose" not to do anything. They weren't even asked/wanted/needed to do the 50/70 flying. Just like they won't be asked/wanted/needed to do the 90+ seat flying.

There are ways around a contract? Ya' don't say?!? Just watch the way they get around the DL pilot contract.

 

[~~~^~~~]

No, I think you are wrong big time. If Delta liquidates SkyWest would have to park all of their DL RJs for awhile to figure out what to do. .... and SkyWest/ASA would be left out in the cold. ASA would park all of their planes ... there would be no more connections to the smaller cities (from Lynchburg to Monroe)... The SLC ops for SkyWest would stop, and Southwest would beef up service to the larger cities (LA, LAS, OAK etc) and Jetblue would move in slowly. It would be total Chaos. .... You better hope we don't fold. That means---no stretched RJs. We won't allow it. I will vote NO. And, I think DL could make a large profit with us (DL pilots) flying their own E175s and E190s, and you guys could REPLACE your CRJ-50s with more CR7s. Yeah, and SkyWest flies their CR7s for United in three class sections--First, Econ plus, and Coach. You could do that too, with CR7s. That would bring us some more profits, with DL mainline pilots still flying planes with over 70 seats. That MAY pass a TA vote, maybe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh' so if you don't take my flying so you can upgrade, then it is the end of the World?

Remember when you said that all my talk of a Delta Bankruptcy was me crying like Chiken Little and screaming the "Sky is Falling?" What say you now?

Today I am telling you that your MEC has so marginalized your role in this industry that it is almost to the point we don't care what your position is. We are used to being attacked by our fellow ALPA brothers and have developed ways to deal with the problem.

Delta is either going to do what it needs to do - quickly - or it is adios Delta. Like they used to say about the Braves "This year is the year." Lets see how things look this fall.

You guys need to be fighting for survival, not fighting to take our flying.

I thought you already had a little PIC time, or are you like those legion of US Air pilots who fought for jets for jobs simply so they could get a little experience? Knowing a friend who knows Plato doesn't do Diddly at Fed Ex, AirTran, Southwest, Alaska, Continental, or UPS without a little 121 PIC time. It is a shame we can't help you pad your logbook, but your MEC decided that we and our flying were unworthy on numerous occasions.

 

[ohplease!]

B.S. --- IF DL liquidates, ASA will too, and SkyWest will be in major trouble. Comair would likely go away too. Any 50 seaters out there would be parked. No other legacies have the financial capacity (thanks to high fuel) to start up a new base at any of our hubs that quickly. Southwest and Jetblue don't use RJs, and neither does Airtran. Nope. Virgin America? Nah. Maybe SkyWest could start another "Indy Air"---and get smacked by Southwest, Jetblue, Fronteir, Spirit, Alaska, UAL, CAL, AA, NW.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Nope. Delta contracts with a couple Ryan Air types for the coast to coast stuff and ups the ticket price to somewhat cut the loss of flying RJs only (ala Indy) while training ASA/SKYW/CHQ/MESA pilots to fly 737-757-767-777's (using stricking DL pilots as instructors). We would fly the bigger planes for 70 seat RJ rates to get them on property and then later raise the rates in the next contract.

I'd say we could include CMR pilots but I'm sure they would want to stand up for great guy's like yourself. Wouldn't they?

 

[twott driver]

And, I think DL could make a large profit with us (DL pilots) flying their own E175s and E190sThat MAY pass a TA vote, maybe.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah right, like you're going to be able to get financing to buy a fleet of Emb products. Lets add some more debt to the already huge pile..... good thinking there GL!

Good luck and good night.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Oh' so if you don't take my flying so you can upgrade, then it is the end of the World?

Remember when you said that all my talk of a Delta Bankruptcy was me crying like Chiken Little and screaming the "Sky is Falling?" What say you now?

Today I am telling you that your MEC has so marginalized your role in this industry that it is almost to the point we don't care what your position is. We are used to being attacked by our fellow ALPA brothers and have developed ways to deal with the problem.

Delta is either going to do what it needs to do - quickly - or it is adios Delta. Like they used to say about the Braves "This year is the year." Lets see how things look this fall.

You guys need to be fighting for survival, not fighting to take our flying.

I thought you already had a little PIC time, or are you like those legion of US Air pilots who fought for jets for jobs simply so they could get a little experience? Knowing a friend who knows Plato doesn't do Diddly at Fed Ex, AirTran, Southwest, Alaska, Continental, or UPS without a little 121 PIC time. It is a shame we can't help you pad your logbook, but your MEC decided that we and our flying were unworthy on numerous occasions.

It is not "your" flying. What don't you get? It is a delta flying that you are contracted to do. ASA/CMR/SKYW don't sell tickets, and don't chose where they go/ they are all contracters, and don't own any routes.

 

[amcnd]

I cant wait tell Delta votes in some crappy TA by 78% and General Lee.. Eats his words!! Because you know it will pass!

 

[ohplease!]

It is not "your" flying. What don't you get? It is a delta flying that you are contracted to do. ASA/CMR/SKYW don't sell tickets, and don't chose where they go/ they are all contracters, and don't own any routes.

it doesn't "belong" to DL pilots either. Somehow I doubt Gen. Lea has ever decided what/where/when to fly anything. We're all contractors. Don't like it? Start your own company.

 

[enuffalready]

You're right, though. Someone will get screwed in the end and I don't mind saying that I hope its you and not me.

I have enjoyed ASA so far. I have flown with some great guys, made good friends and love my home in alanta.

Of course you don't care if I get screwed. I have never though otherwise. I have however, been thoroughly entertained watching you justify now fighting the same fight you have chastized us feeder guys

If DL liquidates, ASA will be parked and if not liquidated, we will be parted off and leave a few 700's for skywest. But we all know it will not come to that. The delta MEC will save face because he will be able to say they didnt void the ENTIRE contract. Mainline has NO LEVERAGE. you can huff and puff all you want but your guys WILL vote in a paycut and scope relief if it means 51% of you keep your jobs above 100k.

You know the 54 yo super senior captain at delta. the young one since GL made it clear that all their senior guys over 55 are gone. The guy with the cake schedule, decent income, and has flown planes for 30 years....tell him to vote no, and go get another job.....good luck... sure...Maybe you can get that senior FO, who has a good schedule, decent income, and has waited his life to be a DELTA captain... tell him to go into that anonymous booth and vote away all he has worked for.... sure.. good luck with that....

Talk all you want.. you ain't shutting it down... you have no leverage...65/35 AT BEST

 

[wmuflyguy]

it doesn't "belong" to DL pilots either. Somehow I doubt Gen. Lea has ever decided what/where/when to fly anything. We're all contractors. Don't like it? Start your own company.

It is more theirs than it is yours. The flying they chose not to do (50 and 70 seaters), is not theirs. It is Delta's flying(the company), they could kick you to the curb tomorrow (yea yea you guys have a contract!, well there are ways around that).