Moral sinking at FLOPS

[jetwash]

Morale sinking at FLOPS

Has anyone else at FLOPS noticed the morale dropping?

It has now been over the 100 days since B.T. sent out the letter stating that they wanted the contract all done. Still things are moving along at a snails pace and it now looks like it won’t happen before the new year.

K.R. came in and said that he will personally take charge and get it done ASAP. But now it looks like that was all just talk. He was hoping to bring up pilot morale and now it ‘s falling faster then the stock market and right before the holiday season.

What are they thinking in CGF?

 

[On Your Six]

Has anyone else at FLOPS noticed the moral dropping?

It has now been over the 100 days since B.T. sent out the letter stating that they wanted the contract all done. Still things are moving along at a snails pace and it now looks like it won’t happen before the new year.

K.R. came in and said that he will personally take charge and get it done ASAP. But now it looks like that was all just talk. He was hoping to bring up pilot moral and now it ‘s falling faster then the stock market and right before the holiday season.

What are they thinking in CGF?

I hate to remind you, but there is a big different between "moral" and "morale." I don't want to be the spelling cop.

With regard to morale, I thought Ricci and the new CEO were trying to rejuvenate the once-proud culture at FLOPS? Didn't I just read that all aircraft would have new paint jobs, etc. soon as a way to signal a "new start?" Anyone got a picture of the new paint scheme?

Clearly pay and benefits will have to be improved (to near NJA levels) before people would be happy there. I still remember the days when FLOPS was considered a great place to work (early 2000s) - I almost applied to FLOPS after 9/11.

 

[jetwash]

I hate to remind you, but there is a big different between "moral" and "morale." I don't want to be the spelling cop.

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Thanks,

I put too much trust in the spell check, all corrected now.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Has anyone else at FLOPS noticed the morale dropping?

It has now been over the 100 days since B.T. sent out the letter stating that they wanted the contract all done. Still things are moving along at a snails pace and it now looks like it won’t happen before the new year.

K.R. came in and said that he will personally take charge and get it done ASAP. But now it looks like that was all just talk. He was hoping to bring up pilot morale and now it ‘s falling faster then the stock market and right before the holiday season.

What are they thinking in CGF?

Cue the B19 "I told you so" in three, two, one.....

 

[dime line]

Who gives a crap about the new paint, still kinda a pig. What a waste, new BJ and another new paint job.

I wanna hear something positive out of NBAA, I wanna hear about new sales. I wanna hear about a new marketing campaign.

then I wanna hear about paint.

 

[993_Pilot]

...With regard to morale, I thought Ricci and the new CEO were trying to rejuvenate the once-proud culture at FLOPS? Didn't I just read that all aircraft would have new paint jobs, etc. soon as a way to signal a "new start?" ...

Hopefully something will come out before the end of the NBAA convention.

 

[HSDriver]

Slow Negotiations

Morale is sinking because negotiations are proceeding so slowly. Ricci came in and said he wanted a solution now(thats Ricci speak for a settlement with no contract). Last weeks negotiations had only Bob Tyler and Joe Kanraid, now that doesn't seem like serious progress to me. Ricci threw a little money at the pilots (meals) and stopped crew rott and it bought him plenty of time to figure out a way to circumvent the union. Acuisition? Etc? He has a plan. I don't care about new paint jobs, I want a contract then everything else will fall into place. Until there is a contract morale will stay low.

 

[Q Service]

I hate to remind you, but there is a big different between "moral" and "morale." I don't want to be the spelling cop.

No, you are definitely not the spelling cop!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Cue the B19 "I told you so" in three, two, one.....

Zero.....

(Which by sheer coincidence is the contract negotiated by 1108.)

You said if for me.. thanx. :laugh:

 

[jetwash]

I don't care about new paint jobs, I want a contract then everything else will fall into place. Until there is a contract morale will stay low.

Agreed!!!!

Nothing has changed except a few kind words that don't pay the rent.

I honestly thought that K.R. would get it done before Thanksgiving so that he would have happy pilots flying during the holidays.

It looks like the morale will be the same as last year during Thanksgiving and the downward trend which is increasing, will be at its lowest right during the peak travel time again.

The honeymoon is over.

 

[B19 Flyer]

1108 didn't get it done.

Morale is sinking because negotiations are proceeding so slowly. Ricci came in and said he wanted a solution now(thats Ricci speak for a settlement with no contract). Last weeks negotiations had only Bob Tyler and Joe Kanraid, now that doesn't seem like serious progress to me. Ricci threw a little money at the pilots (meals) and stopped crew rott and it bought him plenty of time to figure out a way to circumvent the union. Acuisition? Etc? He has a plan. I don't care about new paint jobs, I want a contract then everything else will fall into place. Until there is a contract morale will stay low.

Let's see... the worst economic climate in 70 years.

Do you really, (and let's be honest now) expect Options management to rush out and give 1108 a contract on par with NJ in today's climate?

1108 didn't get it done. I've said that over and over. You guys put all of your eggs in the 1108 basket and are paying for it dearly.

If morale is low, it's due to the union being on the property and stagnating what the company is willing to do for you.

You are getting exactly what you asked for and a whole lot less.

 

[imacdog]

B, if Flops was truly incapable of giving the pilots a fair contract then they wouldn't have to hire you for union busting work. However, you're still here which is a good indicator that Flops management is doing whatever they can to avoid treating the pilots fairly. Carry on.

 

[NachoMamma]

Fly the pledge

Keep flying the pledge...the holidays are coming. Good luck to you guys!

 

[brokeflyer]

Let's see... the worst economic climate in 70 years.

Do you really, (and let's be honest now) expect Options management to rush out and give 1108 a contract on par with NJ in today's climate?

1108 didn't get it done. I've said that over and over. You guys put all of your eggs in the 1108 basket and are paying for it dearly.

If morale is low, it's due to the union being on the property and stagnating what the company is willing to do for you.

You are getting exactly what you asked for and a whole lot less.

so you trying to say you don't like unions?

I agree, I wish 1108 woulda never gave me that big raise and all the qol......having a life is such a pain. I wish I didn't have so much money, i miss working 2 jobs and having food stamps. I wish i was away from from my family more, cause i know management really wants me to be home with them as much as possible. I really wish they would take money from me because they do such a good job.

b19, just keep talking, we all laugh at your retarded posts. Now i know why tigers eat their young. keep it up, we love the comedy.

 

[CALRepublic]

I fly for Netjets, ran into 2 FLOPS guys at signature (BOS). They came up to me and we got to talking, one of them say something like " we're getting a new contract and it will be 1% more than yours". He sounded very confident, as if it was a done deal. All I said was "I hope you get that 1% better, but I still wouldn't stay there if I were you".

If you end up doing well on your contract, no need to trhow it on people's face.

 

[fischman]

I sincerely hope FLOPS gets an industry leading contract. You guys have earned it!

 

[CA1900]

"we're getting a new contract and it will be 1% more than yours".

I hope it's 10% better -- it'll make it that much easier for us next time around! The competition getting better pay and benefits is a good thing, in that respect.

 

[Semore Butts]

1% more!!!!

Great! C.S. is next!!!!!!

Other then yourselves,nobody would be happier then the Netjets pilots.

Good to hear it.

 

[jetwash]

I think they are jumping the gun on the pay since it hasn't even been brought up in negotiations.

 

[Myster79]

I fly for Netjets, ran into 2 FLOPS guys at signature (BOS). They came up to me and we got to talking, one of them say something like " we're getting a new contract and it will be 1% more than yours". He sounded very confident, as if it was a done deal. All I said was "I hope you get that 1% better, but I still wouldn't stay there if I were you".

If you end up doing well on your contract, no need to trhow it on people's face.

I doubt that was his intent. However, I have no idea where he is getting his information. You have to remember this was probably a rumor he heard and after years of abuse, he was probably just very excited. Don't take things so personal.

Furthermore, I have heard many Netjets pilots bragging on more than one occasion.

 

[CE750Driver]

No, you are definitely not the spelling cop!

LOL. On your six, please, give us some more of your advice. It MAKE me happy.

BTW. Spelling police, go screw yourselves, and find something more productive to do.

 

[waka]

If morale is low, it's due to the union being on the property and stagnating what the company is willing to do for you.

It is indisputable that morale at FLOPS was low long before the union. This proves that you're a spinmeister and a liar.

I know you won't answer.......at least legitimately. It's just my way of reminding you that you're still a buffoon, loser and coward.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

It is indisputable that morale at FLOPS was low long before the union. This proves that you're a spinmeister and a liar.

I know you won't answer.......at least legitimately. It's just my way of reminding you that you're still a buffoon, loser and coward.

I found B's new gig when and after the ratification does occur! Just look at my avatar!

 

[OPECJet]

I found B's new gig when and after the ratification does occur! Just look at my avatar!

I don't care who ya are... That's funny right there...

 

[waka]

I found B's new gig when and after the ratification does occur! Just look at my avatar!

:laugh:BA HA HA HA HA HA!:laugh:


yeah, instead of him saying "see you on the line!" like in his recorded messages while he was an Eastern scab, he'll be saying "see you on the lot!"

 

[clickclickboom]

Let's see... the worst economic climate in 70 years.

Do you really, (and let's be honest now) expect Options management to rush out and give 1108 a contract on par with NJ in today's climate?

1108 didn't get it done. I've said that over and over. You guys put all of your eggs in the 1108 basket and are paying for it dearly.

If morale is low, it's due to the union being on the property and stagnating what the company is willing to do for you.

You are getting exactly what you asked for and a whole lot less.

B19 I disagree with your post however I do agree that you are completely entitled to your own opinion.

I spent 8 years at flops prior to leaving and know what it was like to hold my head high, walk into any FBO out there and spent endless hours talking about flight options. Things peaked in 2002 into 2003 and then the company went downhill. year over year there were numerous takeaways, SFO pay, $400 non taxed travel bonus, hotel stby, layovers etc etc etc.

Finally by 2006 I came to the conclusion that I could not make a career at options and decided to get on a seniority list asap.

I was fortunate enough to get into a decent position but there are numerous others still at flops that have had their careers stagnated by mis management.

They all deserve better.

The most ironic aspect is productivity.

In 2001-02 I flew over 800 hours each year. Every year they came up with these dumb ideas to save money and improve efficiencies and each year I flew less. My last full year at flops was 2005 I flew just over 300 hours.

Flops pilots deserve a contract even if it means the failure of the company. You guys should not finance their mis management with reduced pay and benefits

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19 I disagree with your post however I do agree that you are completely entitled to your own opinion.

I spent 8 years at flops prior to leaving and know what it was like to hold my head high, walk into any FBO out there and spent endless hours talking about flight options. Things peaked in 2002 into 2003 and then the company went downhill. year over year there were numerous takeaways, SFO pay, $400 non taxed travel bonus, hotel stby, layovers etc etc etc.

Finally by 2006 I came to the conclusion that I could not make a career at options and decided to get on a seniority list asap.

I was fortunate enough to get into a decent position but there are numerous others still at flops that have had their careers stagnated by mis management.

They all deserve better.

The most ironic aspect is productivity.

In 2001-02 I flew over 800 hours each year. Every year they came up with these dumb ideas to save money and improve efficiencies and each year I flew less. My last full year at flops was 2005 I flew just over 300 hours.

Flops pilots deserve a contract even if it means the failure of the company. You guys should not finance their mis management with reduced pay and benefits

Options pilots were all giddy with excitement when 1108 came in and "closed the deal" so quickly with NJ. They drank the union koolaide and figured 1108 was going to do the same magic, but it didn't happen did it?

1108 didn't get it done when the economy was good because they were GREEDY. Now, because they were so ineffective, the economy has gone down the tubes and any chance for a decent first contract has flushed because they didn't get it done while they had the chance.

It's laughable to think that those represented by 1108 are going to get an industry leading contract in today's economic environment. Matter of fact, if they get ANY kind of contract they will be lucky.

1108 sold a bill to the Options pilots based on the success of dealing with a carrier that had deep pockets. Good luck getting one done now!

Perhaps njw can convince NJASAP to help out!

We can see just how much THEY enjoyed working with the teamsters! :laugh:

 

[brokeflyer]

so your saying you dont like unions?......

first i've heard that from you...im shocked.

the diffrence is NJ ALREADY had a contract in place to build from......starting from scratch sucks. I guess the only thing to do is fock the pilots in the butt on wages and working conditions. Taking money from management is completly outta the question. Golden parachutes only work one way.

 

[netjetwife]

So it was just lip service and management is dragging their heels.... how typically short-sighted... Naturally, treatment like that results in low morale. Disrespect has a way of doing that...sorry guys! When it comes to morale, y'all have my moral support!

It's easy to see who really cares about the company when actions speak louder than words. It's common knowledge that low morale hurts productivity so smart managers treat employees like the valuable asset they are. Until the other side figures out that basic concept they'll remain FLOPS.

It seems their behavior fits the Halloween season; they're draining the company lifeblood...morale... from those on the front line. Boooo!! Hisssss!!!

On a personal note, I'm in the midst of a battle for justice myself and I can all too well sympathize with how hard it is sometimes to keep trudging forward in the uphill battle. It sounds like the Options pilots have been lied to. Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience with that frustration and this is how I deal with it: Ask yourself if giving up would be acceptable. I bet, you, too, will refuse to do that. So pull together as a group and keep pressing on. That's what my family does. Justice will be worth it in the end--for all of us. As you guys do your job give them the same cooperation they are showing 1108 in negotiations. It's way past time for the message to soak in: you don't get high morale when you pay low wages!

Hang in there!!
Netjetwife

 

[Publishers]

I did notice that he put in place new sales staff to sell into this market. Perhaps he feels that getting some business is his major concern of the moment.