Moodys revises Jetblue debt to Negative

[General Lee]

General, you often repeat or create anti-[insert airline name] drivel with the intention of baiting readers into responding. Often over and over again like a little kid who learned a new word.

5-year this, 12 year rates, stupid idiotic transcon turns, no representation etc, etc. Do you REALLY believe that those 12 year rates will actually be the same in 12 years?? Get real.

THEN when someone responds to your bait, you fall back and claim you are 'just joking' and that the respondant 'obviously' has no sense of humor. This is your game you play over and over again on this forum. You use this game to repeat over an over again the false BS and bait-phrases you like to see in print associated with your name. But then of course you can write numerous replies defending your baited post or attacking the respondants. And by doing so run up your total post count.

Then if someone agrees with your BS then you respond several times more commending the people who agree with your bait. All in the name to be the high-poster on this forum. What a goal, to have the worst case of keyboard diarhea on this forum: congrats! you are the king of keyboard crap.

Such a silly little game you play.

Untill you try a few transcon turns it would be prudent to refrain from calling those who have names like idiot or stupid. Like I said from experience: it is all about the length of the duty day, not the total flight hours. Even at my age I found the turns MUCH easier than 4-leg east coast 15 hour days.

Have a great day keep that keyboard going!!

Ok, what again? You really never respond to the claims. You like to side step and then attack me. Typical of people who try to force their ideas against what everyone else wants and believes.

Silly game? Transcon turns are not a game, they will be a death sentence to passengers on one of your airplanes. Got any other rules you would like to break? How about making the duty day a full 24 hours? You can do it! Just drink a bunch of coffee or drink Redbull. The problem here is that your management wants less pilots, and you want more days off. Greed on both parts, with a disregard of safety. Have you done a transcon turn with 2 pilots yet? Oh, you want to try it out and show it can work. Sure, the conditions will always be the same, and there won't be a snow storm at JFK giving you a 2 hour delay on the taxiway before starting the flight to LGB, or 45 minutes of holding when you return. Nah, that would never ever happen. Atleast the weather in LGB will be nice......?

And, the length of the duty day is the only thing you look at? That airbus must really be automated, it will do everything for you! It also wipes your a$$ when you krap too, eh? I am tired after a one way transcon in good weather to LAX, and it is worse if it is really early in the morning, since it is tougher to get to sleep when you know you have to duty in at 6am and have to leave the house(or hotel) by 5 am, etc. And you said it yourself, you are old. Well, old pilots don't act like Spring Chickens, unless they are on CIALIS. Are you? I thought so. That will be your key to flying transcon turns----take Viagra first. Finally we have the answer.

Will your rates be the same after another 6 years (not 12 more years like you said)? I hope not. What does your union say about future negotiations? What? Ok, what does Dave Neeleman say about giving you big raises? Oh year, they are built in if you fly above 80 hours, etc etc etc...... Blue Kool Aid again.

And Dad, thanks for describing me so well in the beginning of your post. Am I grounded? Nah, I have my own opinions and I back them up with reason. Transcon turns are dangerous for most humans (not super humans), and your E190 rates are low for 100 seat aircraft. You can't seem to rebutt any of those adequately. 12 hours of flying (6 going with headwinds and 6 coming back with weather) would not leave you very safe, and hopefully you know that.


Bye Bye Dad---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

hey general!

at least JETBLUE pilots will be flying JETBLUE "RJ's"

are the DALPA pilots flying your DELTA RJ's?

Well, your pay rates are RJ pay rates. I guess you are right then. Dam!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

GL, I was forgetting that you know everthing about everything!

Finally you can see reality. Your group wants to be the new rule makers, and those rules really benefit your management. Sure, you might be able to get 20 days off a month, but one mistake(which is likely when fatigued) could be costly. How about changing the age 60 rule to 85? Why not? There are probably some great 85 year old pilots that could do well.......you guys think all of them could, right?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey Jetblue dudes,


I have an opinion, and you can't silence me. Flying transcon turns, especially back into bad weather in NYC, will be a safety hazard. You all may be super-human, but most are not. And, your 100 seat pay scale is very low for a profitable airline. Tell me I am wrong there too. You can't......

hazardous conpared to what?? what actual study are you using? (is it your own retarded alpa spin or an actual fatique study being conducted right now.)

is a trans-con turn more hazardous than a 5 leg 7.5 to 8.0 flight day?
is a trans-con turn more hazardous than a bad wx day, on duty for 15 hours?
is a trans-con turn more hazardous than a "day sleep" turn. (you mean to tell me that getting 1 or 2 hours of sleep during the day is safer when flying a red eye back into bad wx? nice try....

i could see you now, back in 1960 thumping your ALPA chest saying: removing the third crewmember is a safety hazard!!!

as far as "taking it" i say again, take a good hard look at united's current alpa contract....i believe yours will look somewhat similar in the future....( oh,thats right, your dues will protect you)

I really don't know if we would get United rates, which I guess is possible. More likely the creditors would have to add their concessions, which have only totaled $100 million so far, to the $2 Billion the employees have added. We are on our way to actually saving $5 billion a year, but that was supposed to happen in 2006. With pension reform around the corner, and some debt being restructured, I bet we could come out of this stronger. (as a company, not a pay scale) That could get interesting after that. Just think if Song and Mainline competed with you with a lot lower costs than today. Song has already limited you to making no more than $12 or so million a quarter (a lot more than us, though). But, your E190s will CHANGE EVERYTHING.... It will be interesting.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[LandGreen]

E190s are not RJs. If Delta wants to fly E190s, then DALPA scope ensures that DALPA pilots will fly them. What does your scope say? Oh, that's right: you don't have any scope. If good ole' Dave decided that Mesa was going to fly your Airbi tomorrow, then you couldn't do jack about it. You might want to lay off of the pro-Blue bragging. Remember, DAL was on top of the world 5 years ago, and look where they are now. Think it can't happen to Blue? Think again.

ahhhhh grasshoppaaaaa! you sooo knowledgeFULL! LOL (just kidding)

for those of us who have flown for a legacy carrier in the good ol days before 9-11, your quote regarding scope seemed plausible, iron clad, set in stone...it was in the contract baby! the contract: our BIBLE! i remember a no furlough clause at a few legacies that were in the "iron clad" agreements!
so take it from the ol timers....there is nothing iron clad...or in your words "ensures" pilots from anything...unfortunately, the companies will do what they want and tell you to grieve it! unfortunately, there are still thousands of furloughed legacy pilots that are living this reality, and for others, it is just internet gossip!

do you remember when dalpa had a scope restriction on 70 seat jets? then what happened......anybody? anybody? ???? oh, they gave you ( a CRJ FO, right?) the right seat of a 70 seat jet that should have been flown by Delta guys!

thennnnnnnnnnnn.....comair said, "........we will only hire furloughed delta guys if they give up their number." yeeeeeeahhh riiiiiigghhht! only recently did comair do a 180 on that policy!

i am certainly not in favor of the e190 rates, and jetblue certainly has its share of pains but that is what defines the airline industry....PAIN!

 

[Flying Freddie]

"Delta is not failing to plan, and we are certainly not planning to fail," -DL CFO

Hey General,

What do you call that quote you have at the end of all your posts, an epitaph?

I think if you take out the Delta part it would sound like what another general said at the Little Big Horn. Yeah, I know he was moved back to Colonel by that time.

 

[radarlove]

Iceman: You two really are cowboys.

Maverick: What's your problem, Kazanski?

Iceman: You're everyone's problem. That's because everytime you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.

Maverick: That's right! Ice... man. I am dangerous.

 

[B6Guy]

Yada-Yada

Pay rates Yada Yada, haven't you got any other ammunition? This one is getting boring. Yes our E190 pay rate is low, and none of us like it. But we trust our management to do the right thing after the E190 is proven and profitable. It will be a sad day for you when the pay is adjusted, then you will have to search for another baited barb to throw out with every post. What will it be then, a discourse on how much you like lime green instead of the color blue??

As for Viagra and Cialis, I leave that for the weight-lifter types like you. I have never felt the need for any chemical assistance.

We are not breaking any rules, we are conducting a FAA supervised study, and I for one was sceptical at first, but the proof is doing it. If the WX is crap in JFK, do you think the 4-leg 15 hour east coast day is going to be safer than a transcon turn??

Your silly game is your bait and dodge behind your 'humor, just joking' excuse. Our Transcon study is a scientific process. Not the same.

Go for it!! smoke that keyboard!! maybe you can make the pile of drivel even higher !!! 6000 worthless posts are only 900 or so away!!!

All Hail THE KING of KEYBOARD DIARHEA, Hail The General!!

 

[LandGreen]

Well, your pay rates are RJ pay rates.
Bye Bye--General Lee

i won't argue with that...and i think it would be very hard to find a jetblue pilot that doesn't agree the rates on the e190 are terrible.

if the e190 starts producing better than forecast numbers, i find it hard to believe that managment wouldn't react accordingly. they always have in the past....i know that we have ALL the support of the industry....right??? LOL

BTW...general...how fast do you type? takes me 15 minutes to find the keys to get this far and by the time i submit you have written a book in four languages!

 

[PCL_128]

Landgreen,

Just to clarify, I am an RJ FO, but not for DCI. I work for Pinnacle, so no 70 seaters for us. NWA scope doesn't even allow very many 50 seaters. Most of our RJs are converted to 44-seat planes to comply with scope. NWA has some excellent scope language, and it will be a shame to see it disappear in BK. More damage to an already decimated profession.

You are certainly correct that DALPA has given up much of their scope over the years. The difference is that DAL had to negotiate to get those changes made. The Daves can just impose things at Blue without even asking your opinion. You guys have a good relationship with management now, but things can change quick. What happens if Neeleman decides to leave in a few years and is replaced with someone that is not quite so friendly? Things could get bad really quickly for you, and you'd have no recourse whatsoever. Delta management has to negotiate changes to the CBA, but your management can do whatever they want. Again, it's not a problem right now with Dave at the helm, but how will things be when he's gone?