Misery loves Comany: PCL to park 15 CRJs

[CptMurf]

Fly4hire
"Think about the fact that the current announced furloughs will go back to ~ 1999 hires at NWA. There is going to be many more after that. Most of these pilots were flying at NWA before you even were out of flight school."

Actually sir, I was hired at XJ prior to 1999, and one day would like to move on, but it is people like you that I need to move up or move on. With your attitude, I wish the latter.

"I'd say the NWA pilots are paying a much steeper price. How many PCL pilots have been hired since 9/11? How many have and will be furloughed? Ooops, I forgot, there might even be some pilots that will have the required flight hour minimums when they get a chance to upgrade to Capt. on the CRJ. The pain, the pain....."

I know you are discussing PCL in this quote, not XJ, but if it was meant to imply the Airlinks. Then I will say that about 85-90 percent of all XJ pilots were hired prior to 9/11, most have felt the effects of 9/11. I myself was downgraded for 2 years at a cost of 16,000 dollars a year (maybe not much for you, but alot for me), some were furloughed, rehired, and furloughed again (some 3 times). Last I heard the 50 seaters were tied into your scope, you had a voice in your vote, unfortunately (for you) majority rules. It is not PCL's pilots fault(?) that they got those airframes, and I am sure you would have taken a job there straight out of college if you had the ability. As I said above, lets work together to solve this. If NWA ALPA takes the road of AMFAA (isolating themselves), and tries to go it alone without XJ and PNCL, then they will be doomed. I personally would like to see all of the redtails not only survive, but thrive. Maybe then I could leave my pink SAAB behind.

 

[Fly4hire]

Actually sir, I was hired at XJ prior to 1999, a one day would like to move on, but it is people like you that I need to move up or move on. With your attitude, I wish the latter....

I know you are discussing PCL in this quote, not XJ, but if it was meant to imply the Airlinks. ...... If NWA ALPA takes the road of AMFAA (isolating themselves), and tries to go it alone without XJ and PNCL, then they will be doomed. I personally would like to see all of the redtails not only survive, but thrive. Maybe then I could leave my pink SAAB behind.

Sigh....sorry for the rant. A lot of my vitriole is aimed at a very small minority of flame baiter pre-pubescent PCL new hires who don't have a clue.

Almost all the XJ folks I have worked with and come in contact with are nothing but top notch. I realize full well that luck and timing have more to do with this business than anything else.

As to NWA ALPA pulling up the rug, I think it's a done deal. They are a bunch of toothless old men who are peeing themselves over the pension, are focusing on everything else as a distant second, and think anything negotiated will be better than what they might get in court.

I envision you guys (sigh....) getting 70/90 seaters, a NEWCO type operation that hopefully will not go the way of mid-atlantic, and up to a total of 2000 NWA pilots on the street and at NEWCO. There will be mainline hiring at U before there will be at NWA again.

I apologize for the previous rants. I know it's not your guys fault, and that everyone is going to feel the pain on his to one degree or another......

 

[Looking]

Fly4hire.

I'd say the NWA pilots are paying a much steeper price. How many PCL pilots have been hired since 9/11? How many have and will be furloughed? Ooops, I forgot, there might even be some pilots that will have the required flight hour minimums when they get a chance to upgrade to Capt. on the CRJ. The pain, the pain.....

If you truly are at the majors and show this little respect for all the Ex. NW, DL, UA, CO, Comair, Indy, ATA, etc..... furloughed pilots at 9E, then you are truly a fool. We have had our pay sliced and diced, our benefits are worse, all our savings are gone a long time ago, and we still get up every morning we have to work, and do what we are expected to according to our sub-par working agreement.

I think most outside pilots would be surprised to find the # of well qualified pilots at 9E, both from own ranks and from other regionals, military and majors, who are working here because they are doing their best to reestablish their broken careers.

Have a nice day.......

 

[Terry Hunter]

When things get tense, it's easy to speak with emotion instead of our mind.

But anyway, here's a question, and I'm hopeing a few NWA guys can reply on this:
Scope - Limits set on 44/50/70 were set in place in 1998 when NWA was prospering in great amounts. Would it be reasonable that those need to be relaxed to make a 50 seat airplane a 50 seat airplane, and a 85 seat airplane a 85 seat airplane (if that will save it)? Most RJ's are very tight on profit margin as it is.

 

[Redmeat]

I'd say the NWA pilots are paying a much steeper price. How many PCL pilots have been hired since 9/11? How many have and will be furloughed? Ooops, I forgot, there might even be some pilots that will have the required flight hour minimums when they get a chance to upgrade to Capt. on the CRJ. The pain, the pain.....

Fly4hire..



If you truly are at the majors and show this little respect for all the Ex. NW, DL, UA, CO, Comair, Indy, ATA, etc..... furloughed pilots at 9E, then you are truly a fool.

He apologized for his comments in the post above yours 3 hours ago. Look above "Captain".

JEEEEEEEEEEZE

We have had our pay sliced and diced, our benefits are worse, all our savings are gone a long time ago, and we still get up every morning we have to work, and do what we are expected to according to our sub-par working agreement.

I think most outside pilots would be surprised to find the # of well qualified pilots at 9E, both from own ranks and from other regionals, military and majors, who are working here because they are doing their best to reestablish their broken careers.

Have a nice day.......

Yeah and you knew what the job description and pay was at your company when you accepted the position. What is your point.

 

[buckwheatt]

They Took Our Joooobs

 

[Lear70]

I'd say the NWA pilots are paying a much steeper price. How many PCL pilots have been hired since 9/11? How many have and will be furloughed? Ooops, I forgot, there might even be some pilots that will have the required flight hour minimums when they get a chance to upgrade to Capt. on the CRJ. The pain, the pain.....

Why does it have to be "we are hurting worse than you"... "we need it more than you"... "our mechanics can beat up your mechanics...? What does THAT kind of rhetoric do for ANY of us?

How many PCL pilots since 9/11? Approximately 800.

How many have and will be furloughed? 100 after 9/11 (including me - my 2nd furlough for that year), and now probably another 100, until the NEXT round of aircraft parking is announced, then another hundred or two more.

EVERYONE is hurting... NO ONE is safe... We don't need to continue this type of bickering, it solves nothing and helps no one.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey all,

Feel free to use the avatar. Let's show some unity and express our collective opinion of NWA.

MM

The avatar says more about the user than NWA. Guys, if you want to get thru this it is going to take alot more than this..... you need to go from zero to full speed and you haven't turned on the motor.....

Stay Sane.

 

[dondk]

157 pilots were furloughed 11 days after 9/11 (I was one of them too). Another 35 or so who were in various stages of training were outright let go. Of the 157 furloughee's, about 140 returned within 87 days. 5 or 6 of the 35 let go were offered positions after the company hired 100 or so ahead of them. The others were not even offered an opportunity to return.

Currently Pinnacle has "refugee's" from the USAir wholly owned regionals, Indy Air (ACA) and 38 still standing NWA furloughees.

Bottom line, this will be a lesson for our 800 or so guys hired after the last furlough. Hopefully they will keep this in mind in 2-3 years when our contract may be ratified. The sad part is the dude that may be furloughed, will make more on unemployment than guarantee.

 

[Flyinisforbirds]

What is the current unemployment rate? 3 years ago it was only 350 a week.

 

[dondk]

Varies by state as I recall... Living in PA I made more on unemployment then when I was working.

Guarantee is only 75 hours at 21 per hour (rounded) less than $400 per week before taxes.

 

[tomdav]

They Took Our Joooobs

I love that South park episode.

 

[Rook]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/display_sound.php?ep_number=806&ep_name=Goobacks&snd=http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/sounds/806/THEYTOOKOURJOBS3.wav&snd_name=They%20took%20our%20jobs!

enjoy

Rook

 

[Snakum]

That's why I said "figure out a way", you craven little PFT whore.

Still in the business of rationalizing your own actions while bashing others?

God#$%& you 100LL, you crusty old Facist! Don't you realize you're talking to the "Resident ALPA Defender"? This young man has repented the evil of paying to play pilot while hundreds of South Florida CFIs struggled in the oppressive heat in ratty old C150s and begged for multi-engine flight time. He has confessed his sins and realizes the folly of getting a leg up into a new CRJ at 500 hours while crusty old Freight Dogs flew clapped out Barons at night in the ice and thunderstorms and sent thousands of resumes during the day between Ramen noodle entres and catnaps on the floor of a rusting mobile home.

This is not, as someone else posted on another thread about him, a case of "FYIGM". He really has seen the light. He is now a valued leader of the anti-RJDC movement, a firebreathing Unionist and ALPA supporter. You are not fit to carry his flightbag, you bitter old corporate piston wanker. You could learn a thing or two from this young man.

And further ...

I and many of the GIA guys sit in the top half of the seniority list

... you may be looking at him across a table in an interview one day, if you decide to go back into 121.

Minh

 

[100LL... Again!]

I WOULD HAVE forgave him for his crimes against the profession, except...

Follow me for a moment snakers. I know you don't believe in my Bible, but there are still a lot of worthwhile stories in it, fictitious as they may be.

There is a story about a man who owed a lot to the king. The king demanded payment. The man begged for mercy and the king was moved by this and forgave the debt. No sooner did this occur than the just-forgiven man went off and demanded payment of a tiny little debt from his neighbor. When the neighbor begged for mercy, he had him thrown in debtor's prisin. So, while he was forgiven a very large debt, he himself would not forgive a very small debt.


This, essentially, is why I think PCL is a raving hypocrite and a disgrace o the profession and conservatives everywhere.

He has delicately and soothingly explained away how he must be forgiven for his ignorance, and why he deserves a 'second chance', so to speak.

At the same time, he plans to come down like a ton of bricks on any g0 jet pilot he meets.

You see, he explains, HE didn't know better, but THEY should.

I am more inclined to forgive a long-time professional who needs a job than a snot-nosed punk who wanted to cut in line.

As far as your ridiculous notion that I'm not fit to carry his flight bag? Nice try a psychology. I've been busting my a$$ for years in this business, and was flying approaches to mins when PCL was still in high school. He could stand to learn a lot from me, rather.

And him sitting at an interview board across from me?
If you knew my current position, you could see how that is impossible. Actually, it would be more likely to be the other way.


PCL is trying to wash off the stink of being a PFT whore. He is doing it being as hard on others as possible. He's an a44-kissing pantywaist loser.

He will never know what it is like to work hard for a flying job and build the hours slowly, earning every one.

He will never know what it is like to be responsible for an airplane all by yourself, in weather, without a PIC along to sweep up your f-ups and hold your hand.

This overcompensation on his part is laughable. You know, when some people become religious, one of the first things they do is go around telling everyone that they are going to he11 if they don't shape up.

You would think that they would llike to put a little distance between their sins and when they appoint themselves to the judgement seat.

I'd laught just as hard if Martha Stewart wanted to sit on Ken Lay's jury.