Misery loves Comany: PCL to park 15 CRJs

[PCL_128]

He could stand to learn a lot from me, rather.

LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh, 100LL.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Glad to help, junior. You are forgetting one thing - I essentially know your resume. You do not know mine. Your qualifications are minimal, and fairly unimpressive. You have A LOT to learn about flying and earning a living, and the profession.
The fact that you so not see this proves how far you really have to go.

How long you been flying anyway? I mean as a real pilot, not a paying passenger.

Better question: How long until you can forget that you're a poser?


By the way, the fact that you are so irate over the g0 jet5 situation gives me a lot of enjoyment. There's nothing little 'ol you can do to stop it.

BTW: You really make me think of J. Edgar Hoover. Can you guess why?

 

[Rook]

Maybe because you're into guys?? I dunno?

Rook

 

[Yudso]

This bickering is ridiculous.

 

[405]

100LL, YFIAFH.

adios

 

[PCL_128]

Sorry 100LL, I won't be answering any of your questions. I've done enough of that for the last few years. I get tired of repeating myself after awhile.

However, if you ever find yourself in the Atlanta area, let me know. I'd love to meet you and see if you say the same things in person that you say on this board. First round of drinks is on me...

405, what the heck does YFIAFH mean? You lost me on that one.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I say essentially the same things in person as I do here. No real exceptions occur to me at the moment. If I think of one, I'll let you know.

 

[Snakum]

Maybe because you're into guys?

Now that's funny, whether you PFT'd or not.

Minhommad the Mad Muslim Pig Farmer
"La la la la la la la la! In the name of Allah ... I issue a Fatwa against the infidel who doesn't eat BBQ!"

 

[AAflyer]

Plenty here do throughout this board. BTW the only way PCL/XJ make $$ for NWA is because of the subsidized fuel price ($ 0.85/gal) jet fuel NWA gives you via the ASA and the fee for departure. Pay the going rate for fuel and operating your (oops, NWA's) acft and you will look like Independence Air.

NWA is happy playing that shell game to labor's disadvantage at the mainline, but in Ch11 that's going to change, and is as events are proving.

Yeah, ALPA screwed up a long time ago allowing RJ's at the feeders instead of keeping them at the main line. That can also be partialy undone, and in the long run it will be to everyones benefit.

Think about the fact that the current announced furloughs will go back to ~ 1999 hires at NWA. There is going to be many more after that. Most of these pilots were flying at NWA before you even were out of flight school.

As to your vulgarity, it's a demonstration of both your age and inexperience.

Actually I thought it showed a lot about his professionalism.

AA

Good luck Redtail guys and gals..

 

[bertengineer]

ill go ahead and let everyone know if voluntary leaves were not enough, because I will be one of the first to know

You and me brother. I start the sim on Tuesday ( Supposed too anyway) I had a week off from Oral to sim so I am out of the loop a bit. I guess I need to get in touch with my old flight school for a backup plan.

 

[BOHICAgain]

I dont really care if someone PFT or not...just as long as they passed the checkride there good in my book...just a quick question to those that hate it with a passion.. If you are offered a interview/job at SWA with no type rating ....is it ok to pay for your own 737 type rating to get the job?...isn't that in a way PFT...dont mean to cause any sh!t storm just asking a question....

 

[Skaz]

stop the useless bickering and personal comments, stick to what we know about this situation....

this is what I have heard:

9E parking 15 a/c
XJ losing Avro's due expensive lease
Voluntary leave does not include pilot group
9E mgmnt said to MEC pilot group not facing furloughs at this time...
XJ cancelled all CRJ classes

Possible:
100 pilots to go?
XJ to get ERJ ?
9E new certificate to operate ERJ's with non-alpa pilot group
9E new certificate to operate ERJ's for Continental or Comair ?

anybody else?

oh, and this months bidding/scheduling/ID day fiasco has many people visiting their proctologists....

 

[Rook]

stop the useless bickering and personal commentsThen what else would flightinfo be?quote]

 

[Rook]

stop the useless bickering and personal comments, stick to what we know about this situationThen what else would flightinfo be?

 

[arthompson]

If leaves don't affect the pilot group and they're not affecting the SOC....whose left? FA's and station personell essentially....thoughts?

 

[dondk]

If leaves don't affect the pilot group and they're not affecting the SOC....whose left? FA's and station personell essentially....thoughts?

Well I not completely convinced it will not affect the pilot group. We have high enough attrition that if there is any furlough it would be short in nature.
F/A attrition is equal to or higher than pilot attrition and F/A's only recently had thier first class after several months of no classes.

Out stations, domiciles, commissary, training, management, and clerks are ripe for furlough though. Last time we furloughed they really slimmed down base management (base managers, inflight managers, clerical). Granted we were 1/3 the size we are now, but MSP and DTW had 1 base manager for both bases for pilot's. Now we have Asst. CP's, Base mgr and Asst. Base mgr and each base has 3-4 inflight mangers.

Out station's would depend on frequency, lower frequency they will cut heavy and have 2 man shows doing everything.

Training for all groups would take significant cut's as well as HR.

Clerks were just about wiped out last time to as was the pass bureau.

When Nonconnah cut's they cut deep and with no mercy. Finally many other departments will see what the SOC and flight crews have been living with.

 

[CL600Pilot]

If leaves don't affect the pilot group and they're not affecting the SOC....whose left? FA's and station personell essentially....thoughts?

So the furloughs won't affect SOC?? THANK GOD! I was on hold 48 minutes last night for a scheduler - I can't imagine if their staffing was any thinner than it is.


CL

 

[FN FAL]

You have no idea how sick I am of listening to you guys drool about getting that 70/90 seat jet at the cost of more of our pilots, and now whining when someone parks one of you jets. We have 500 on the street, soon to be joined by another 400, with another 1000 possibly after that.

I realize it's our respective companies, not the pilots, but some of you carry on like the relatives fighting over the estate of a not yet dead relative. Shameful.

I'm thinking the regional's v. mainline pendulum is about to swing the other way after reading the posted NWA proposal for mainline.

Once the bottom end of NWA is competitive with the top end of their regionals, I expect to see cuts at the regionals. Just like what is becoming apparent with 15 pinnacle aircraft being parked.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

It appears that NWA execs are going to screw everyone associated with them. If they get this second airline with a ton of 70-100 seaters.

1. NWA - Their pilots will be the ones to fly these new planes, which is good, but they are going to take an f/o making a lot of money and slash his pay all the way down to regional rates which im sure NWA pilots will not be happy about. At least they will still have a job though.

2. Mesaba and Pinnacle - Steeland wants this new airline to compete against pinnacle and mesaba, who have been helping him out for years. This is only my opinion, but i could see this leading to parking of avros, a reduction in the need for 50 seat jets, which may park many more of 9e's jets, which means more layoffs or concessions for mesaba and pinnacle if they want to be able to compete with this new airline.

Hopefully there is a way for mesaba and 9e to sign on with other airlines and fly for them as well, so that they can grow without putting all their eggs in steelands basket.

 

[Flyinisforbirds]

"In its Friday presentation to creditors, Northwest said, it is considering opening a subsidiary which would operate smaller aircraft with 70 to 100 seats. That could be an attempt to get around its contract with pilots, which requires all flights of 70 or more seats to be flown by mainline captains rather than lower-paid regional pilots.

Air Line Pilots Association spokesman Will Holman said the union believes flying by a subsidiary would also fall under its contract. The pilots union would consider a lower pay scale for flying those smaller jets, but would oppose shifting those flights away from Northwest pilots, said Northwest ALPA head Mark McClain on Thursday."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050930/northwest_creditors.html?.v=6