Midwest Pilots

[climb2slow]

so what is it? you support:

a) the complete separation of F9 but completely abrogates the RAH pilots contract.
b) RAH which completely abrogates the MEH pilots contract with every 190 that says Midwest on it.

I have been vocal that I think our negotiating team needs to get everything we can included for the Midwest crews. What we have been told however is that there is not any leverage there to be had. I would like to see something that provides for one list. But with protections in place that all pilots in the new list will fly equipment comparable to their equipment at the time of purchase. This keeps career expectations intact for all groups, and allows for any 'large' aircraft growth to go to the MEH and FP groups, and any 'small' aircraft growth to go to the RAH groups.

 

[ultrarunner]

Republic taking delivery of E190's. Which seats as many if not more than the 717 that it's replacing at MidEx. I don't see where a MidEx pilot would be awarded any "large plane growth". But I really do think that particular group is going to get left behind.

 

[airlinepilot]

Sounds like someone needs to get some lawyers and test Alleghany-Mohawk ....something about Fair treatment

 

[Minimaniac]

Sounds like someone needs to get some lawyers and test Alleghany-Mohawk ....something about Fair treatment

Allegheny-Mohawk deals with fair and equitable INTEGRATION, not treatment. Until there is an integration, each side will be contentious towards each other. And since A-M does not really quantify fair and equitable, no lawyer can really argue with an arbitrators decision, unless it is a complete staple.

 

[airplane wizard]

This is why I thought they got some from Expressjet/CAL...

08/22/2009 Chautauqua EMB-135LR N11526 145410 LF Continental 7/14/09
08/22/2009 Chautauqua EMB-135LR N15527 145413 LF Continental 7/14/09
08/22/2009 Chautauqua EMB-135LR N12528 145504 LF Continental 7/14/09
08/22/2009 Chautauqua EMB-135LR N28529 145512 LF Continental 7/14/09
08/22/2009 Chautauqua EMB-135LR N12530 145533 LF Continental 7/14/09

08/22/2009 ExpressJet EMB-135LR N11526 145410 RT Continental
08/22/2009 ExpressJet EMB-135LR N15527 145413 RT Continental
08/22/2009 ExpressJet EMB-135LR N12528 145504 RT Continental
08/22/2009 ExpressJet EMB-135LR N28529 145512 RT Continental
08/22/2009 ExpressJet EMB-135LR N12530 145533 RT Continental

So going from a 32 seat 328 to a 35 seat Embraer is supposed to be the answer to their troubles????

 

[Axel]

...RAH pilots coninue there deafening silence.

What would be the point of speaking up? Heels are dug in, opinions are formed nobody is going to change their minds and nobody can convince anyone to do so. So what would be the point? To try to argue reasonably?

On FI?

Sure. :laugh:

And if you listened carefully, you might could just barely pick up the sound of a RAH pilot; but for the most part all anyone can really hear is a sea of noise.

 

[deadstick]

So going from a 32 seat 328 to a 35 seat Embraer is supposed to be the answer to their troubles????

Going to 50 seats and BACK to 35 seats...

"We have the same operating cost on the CRJ as with the 328 and can fill more seats."
-- Former Top Tool at Skyway January 16, 2008

 

[B727FA]

Since you are a FLIGHT ATTENDANT, how do you know so much about all the airlines of the world and all their problems.

Um, since your an a$$ clown what would you know about all the airlines of the world and all their problems? Oh, that's right...you're a pilot; who lives to post on FlightInfo. Silly me.

 

[B727FA]

I have know way of knowing if RAH would have flown the exact same routes as Midwest or not and I suppose it's a "mute" point at this juncture.

Unfortunately, the company seemed to enjoy the best of both worlds as senior pilots hung on and flew to the "last day" at their rates and facilitated the transfer over to RAH rather than accept RAH rates themselves.

The famous "Full Pay to the Last Day!"

And, Full of LUV, please forgive me. I'm not trying to poke fun at your malaprops but it kills me that pilots have a really bad habit of putting FA's down (see post from T2Bus) for being stupid and wanting a career in flying--and then I see that kind of stuff all over the board.

I'm not one to jump on typos...but damn, wrong word choices are pretty freakin' funny from pilot know-it-alls!

 

[B727FA]

So going from a 32 seat 328 to a 35 seat Embraer is supposed to be the answer to their troubles????

They didn't do either. The DJet was 32 seats, the CRJ for OO was 50 and the 135 for CQ is 37. Now, what was your question?

 

[settogathrust]

How did RAH pilots help make this happen? Let's start with pay rates. The Captains pay for the 175/190 is embarasing. ($77 after 5 years)WTF? The FO is just F-ing stupid! (top out at $37 at 4 years) All jets? Are you kidding me? That's how they helped make this happen!
Talk about dragging down the industry. They have set the new bar for bringing down our industry. In a big way. Is anybody else seeing this?

This is a mainline aircraft. Regionals have no business flying these untill the pilots realize that just because we work for a "regional" airline, doesn't mean we have to take it in the shorts. If a "regional" airline payed mainline wages to fly these then fine. Not until then. This regional word is being misused. We fly coast to coast and Canada to Mexico.
We need to just change our name and it will change our mindset. We need to take Regional out of our vocabulary. Seriously! Management knows that we have this regional mindset and they are exploiting it. We are being taken advantage of. It is down right criminal the wages we are making for the sacrafices from home and responsibility we hold. For the amount we all have in this career and for the thousands of reasons we can loose our job at any moment, we should be paid more.

Am I right or am I right?

 

[eaglesview]

What would be the point of speaking up? Heels are dug in, opinions are formed nobody is going to change their minds and nobody can convince anyone to do so. So what would be the point? To try to argue reasonably?

On FI?

Sure. :laugh:

And if you listened carefully, you might could just barely pick up the sound of a RAH pilot; but for the most part all anyone can really hear is a sea of noise.

Actually I haven't heard a thing hear on FI, while they are on the jumpseat, while they are in their "crewroom" in ORD which used to be the United Cafeteria. They are quiet, apparently have no problem with their dumping pilots on the street and flying for foodstamps.

As for your last paragraph, what ever you are on it must be good. Makes no sense.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"We are being taken advantage of. It is down right criminal the wages we are making for the sacrafices from home and responsibility we hold. For the amount we all have in this career and for the thousands of reasons we can loose our job at any moment, we should be paid more.

Am I right or am I right?"

I don't see how you're being taken advantage of if you voluntarily accept the terms and conditions of the job offer when hired and choose to report to work day after day. To accept a job and then complain about the particulars of it afterward is not taking responsibility for your decision.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How did RAH pilots help make this happen? Let's start with pay rates. The Captains pay for the 175/190 is embarasing. ($77 after 5 years)WTF? The FO is just F-ing stupid! (top out at $37 at 4 years) All jets? Are you kidding me? That's how they helped make this happen!
Talk about dragging down the industry. They have set the new bar for bringing down our industry. In a big way. Is anybody else seeing this?

This is a mainline aircraft. Regionals have no business flying these untill the pilots realize that just because we work for a "regional" airline, doesn't mean we have to take it in the shorts. If a "regional" airline payed mainline wages to fly these then fine. Not until then. This regional word is being misused. We fly coast to coast and Canada to Mexico.
We need to just change our name and it will change our mindset. We need to take Regional out of our vocabulary. Seriously! Management knows that we have this regional mindset and they are exploiting it. We are being taken advantage of. It is down right criminal the wages we are making for the sacrafices from home and responsibility we hold. For the amount we all have in this career and for the thousands of reasons we can loose our job at any moment, we should be paid more.

Am I right or am I right?

When they are willingto hire someone to fly a jet with 300 hours, you should pretty much see what value they put on pilots.

Do you think they're looking for an investment opportunity in employees or a cheap pilot?

 

[Sig]

I'm not one to jump on typos...but damn, wrong word choices are pretty freakin' funny from pilot know-it-alls!

Um, since your an a$$ clown what would you know about all the airlines of the world and all their problems?

It just doesn't get any better than that!