Midwest getting new aircrafts????

[CitationLover]

I know, CL. I'm just saying that most see the end here, and it doesn't make a difference. What good is unity if you have nothing to be unified about?

well we can SPECULATE all we want. we are still in contract negotiations this year and still must proceed with the assumption of the company surviving on an ongoing basis.

 

[deadstick]

well we can SPECULATE all we want. we are still in contract negotiations this year and still must proceed with the assumption of the company surviving on an ongoing basis.

From the Skyway experience, make sure you get a severance clause in there in case the company does fold.

 

[TheJCNIs]

Back to the title of this thread, maybe the 14 aircraft (A319/320,B757) that big bad part owner NW are parking will be our MD80 replacement!

 

[FlyWolf]

Back to the title of this thread, maybe the 14 aircraft (A319/320,B757) that big bad part owner NW are parking will be our MD80 replacement!

From what I heard is that when Airbus was visiting about two weeks ago, Boeing showed up at the same time without prior notice.

 

[metroplex]

heard they are parking all 80s and furloughing another 70-100.
( this comes from a friend who works at MEH and the rumor was mentioned in the crew room)

 

[FlyWolf]

I heard that one also, hope its not true

 

[CitationLover]

heard they are parking all 80s and furloughing another 70-100.
( this comes from a friend who works at MEH and the rumor was mentioned in the crew room)

this was mentioned as an option for the fall if oil remains high.

 

[eightdriver]

How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8

Lets hope this does somthing,

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/gas_prices261.html

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[CitationLover]

How could that be an option? I know that the barbie jet burns less fuel, but it also has a $hitload less capacity and much higher lease payments/insurance. The 80 is the airlines heavy lift, long haul aircraft. Every single flight I have done this month has been full or oversold. If we park the 80's then Midwest will lose its hold on MKE. I could see them reducing the schedule this fall, but I doubt they will park the entire fleet. Unless oil is $200/barrel, then all bets are off. 8

because the 80 serves vacation / leisure destinations which are very LOW yield markets. you can have a 140 people going to vegas cheaply or 88 people going to DCA high a much higher yield.

airlines don't make money on domestic transcons in general, it is the more higher yielding routes that they monopolize where they make their cash.

latest rumor i heard was an MEH offer on some AAI 717's.

 

[FlyWolf]

CL, what do you make of this last MEC update? apparently they met with seabury group on the 17th, they said its a very aggressive restructuring plan and a timeline and they stopped at that, a rumor on the line of some sort of an announcement coming tomorrow.

 

[deadstick]

a rumor on the line of some sort of an announcement coming tomorrow.

The last one like this was no good.

BTW, was that a MidEx 717 at DFW that got rearended? Wasn't there something like this in MKE a few years ago? Can those drivers not see the big, blue airplanes?

 

[TheJCNIs]

The key is aggressive in the forward or backwards direction!

 

[FlyWolf]

There are several talk with Timmy meetings tomorrow, I will try to attend one of them, hope for the best.

Not sure about the DFW incident

 

[FlyWolf]

Yes, it was a Midwest 717 at DFW that got hit

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...stories/wfaa080619_wz_dfwmishap.1c3e3bec.html

edit, here are some more pictures:
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/16656731/detail.html

 

[FlyWolf]

Hold on folks, bad news coming, I think all the 80's will be parked.

 

[metroplex]

and flywolf gets furloughed first, ....you need a life dude,

 

[Propsync]

Hold on folks, bad news coming, I think all the 80's will be parked.

Yup, and any further Northwest capacity cuts will be done through Midwest as well. Good luck to all.

 

[deadstick]

and flywolf gets furloughed first, ....you need a life dude,

Poor form, metro. Nobody is immune from this threat.

I hope it's not true. All the YX folks I met on the commute were great people and I miss hanging out around D. Not the deli shop, though.

Is the 99-seat program still on hold, or...?

 

[FlyWolf]

and flywolf gets furloughed first, ....you need a life dude,

Thanks Metro, class act dude.

 

[Propsync]

It's now official, 80's are done.

 

[FlyWolf]

Unfortunately Propsync is correct, the 80's are gone effective September

 

[PCL_128]

Any press releases or anything to verify? I hope it's not true. That would mean a lot more furloughs, wouldn't it?

 

[deadstick]

Yup, and any further Northwest capacity cuts will be done through Midwest as well. Good luck to all.

What about this part?

Are all west coast flights going to have a flagstop at MCI?

 

[Propsync]

Are all west coast flights going to have a flagstop at MCI?

My guess is they'll abandon the west coast and MCI altogether. No sense in stopping full airplanes with an already 0 yield. My buddy says the 17 can't even make FLL and RSW without restrictions. I figure once they park the 80's, they can wait a good 6 months before they have to do anything else. My other guess is the rest of Midwest will be done after the summer travel season of 2009. The merger will be done, and they (NW/Delta) can reassign mainline aircraft to what Midwest was doing, and shut Midwest down. They are making Midwest less and less viable, just so they can justify shutting it down altogether in another year. Again, good luck to all.

 

[ultrarunner]

Any press releases or anything to verify? I hope it's not true. That would mean a lot more furloughs, wouldn't it?

Nothing on wall street yet, so it's prly just internal right now. I'm sure the union has got the notice.

There will likely need to be a WARN act filing if they plan to furlough the 150 folks that essentially make up the -80 staffing. I can't imagine MEH would continue to operate just 25 planes. They are looking at quite a few training events as well, since those on the 80 senior enough to avoid the furlough will go back to the 717.

Uhhg...this really sucks...

 

[GOULET!]

What terrible news. I am very sorry to hear this. This is the absolute worst industry to be in. Avation sucks.

GOULET!....former Skyway'er.

 

[b82rez]

I think this thread has drifted enough.... Back on topic..

Does anyone have any new information on Midwest's new aircrafts?

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't think there will be any new aircraft.

 

[deadstick]

I think this thread has drifted enough.... Back on topic..

Does anyone have any new information on Midwest's new aircrafts?

This is just my take on the situation: if they were to replace the 80's, that news would have been announced at the same time. Then again, this mgt team is not made up of the sharpest knives in the drawer.