Midwest getting new aircrafts????

[FlyWolf]

What, are you kidding me? but yes, we might be getting a replacement finally, this is not a growth (God forbid) but rather a 1-1 replacement to our gas guzzling 80's.

They said the market have some opportunity to obtain the new aircrafts and not at a premium like few month ago.

Will have to wait and see.

 

[FlyWolf]

We have also been hearing that Airtran is loosing a lot of money on their new expansion routs from Milwaukee and it didn't turn out like they planned and they will be scaling back on all the loosing routes.

Did you Airtran guys hear anything?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I have heard the exact opposite. CP in Atlanta was saying those routes were going great. But who knows. Airtran was looking for a buyer for 717's. Maybe you will be an all 717 fleet.

 

[FlyWolf]

I see, it could be midwest management smoke in the mirror statement then.

 

[FlyWolf]

I think it might be NWA that will be looking at your 717 not Midwest, Midwest needs a long range plane to replace the 80's.

 

[ultrarunner]

I see, it could be midwest management smoke in the mirror statement then.

I'd be shocked!

 

[FlyWolf]

I hear ya,

 

[Superpilot92]

I think it might be NWA that will be looking at your 717 not Midwest, Midwest needs a long range plane to replace the 80's.

that would be interesting

 

[carl p]

I have heard the exact opposite. CP in Atlanta was saying those routes were going great. But who knows. Airtran was looking for a buyer for 717's. Maybe you will be an all 717 fleet.

I've heard the same.

 

[CaptSeth]

What, are you kidding me? but yes, we might be getting a replacement finally, this is not a growth (God forbid) but rather a 1-1 replacement to our gas guzzling 80's.

They said the market have some opportunity to obtain the new aircrafts and not at a premium like few month ago.

Will have to wait and see.

The plural form of "aircraft" is "aircraft." If you are going to fly "aircraft," you might want to know how to use it in a sentence.

 

[CitationLover]

The plural form of "aircraft" is "aircraft." If you are going to fly "aircraft," you might want to know how to use it in a sentence.

wow, simma down!

what a/c have you heard flywolf? airbi?

 

[deadstick]

I read that 18 737-700's got pushed for a few years. Maybe Boeing is trying to find a buyer for these slots.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I have been watching LF out of MKE they have been running above 90%. But with that being said with fuel high all bets are off. FL being very nimble is what is going to get us through this down turn. Good luck to all, we all need it.

 

[CitationLover]

I have been watching LF out of MKE they have been running above 90%. But with that being said with fuel high all bets are off. FL being very nimble is what is going to get us through this down turn. Good luck to all, we all need it.

LF means NOTHING. AAI is selling those tickets at a deep discount to try to buy into the MKE market share. Their YIELD means everything and the ATL CP knows nothing about that, they're the last to know anything. My signature can testify to that.

The only way to tell is what AAI does with its current MKE flying. If they cutback that should tell you something. If they add flying its one of two things:

a) they're making money
b) they smell the death of MEH and are moving in for the kill.

Odds are in this environment, it ain't option a. No one is making money these days.

Perhaps MEH's replacement a/c might be Spirit's Airbus that may be deferred with their recent news.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

That's funny I new you where going to say that about LF. But its all we have. I check the fares and we our not giving them a way. We only sell a few seats at the discounted price.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

BF said that if oil stays up we going focus in on ATL, BWI, MCO. So your right we might pull down in mke. It should get real ugly when Sept. rolls for everyone if oil stays high.

 

[CitationLover]

BF said that if oil stays up we going focus in on ATL, BWI, MCO. So your right we might pull down in mke. It should get real ugly when Sept. rolls for everyone if oil stays high.

let's hope it doesn't get to that for everyone. our only hope is the rumored "retirement" of TH next summer.

my source for the AAI MKE performance is MEH management, take it for what it's worth. from MZ (the MEH VP of Flt Ops) right before I was furloughed was that AAI was "losing their shirt" in the MKE market and that Spirit was "hurting quite badly". our MEC also stated that MEH management was "bragging" to them about AAI's MKE numbers: it was the only time during their meeting that TH spoke and where they exhibited any enthusiasm.

latest i heard (i'm out of the official loop now) was a company only ramp frequency where even the D39-48 had to call. so out of the high dollar Kolshak and TPG we've gotten:

a) best care for the air
b) a supposed improved queue system for checkin
c) ramp frequency only for us (not the blockers)
d) 35 furloughs and 20 downgrades

wow, we're getting our money's worth.....

 

[FlyWolf]

The plural form of "aircraft" is "aircraft." If you are going to fly "aircraft," you might want to know how to use it in a sentence.

Get a f&%$ life

 

[CitationLover]

Get a f&%$ life

uh, that's "f@#$" life.

 

[FlyWolf]

wow, simma down!

what a/c have you heard flywolf? airbi?

I heard Airbus, as a matter of fact Airbus is in town talking to Midwest.

 

[FlyWolf]

uh, that's "f@#$" life.

, I forgot to run the spell check

 

[b82rez]

Wait... another aircraft order. What about Skyway's ERJs. Those are still coming, right?

 

[deadstick]

Wait... another aircraft order. What about Skyway's ERJs. Those are still coming, right?

I heard Airbus, as a matter of fact Airbus is in town talking to Midwest.

Actually, their plan was to park the 80's, put the replacements on the Skyway certificate, and pay the new crews at the old 1900 rates.

 

[b82rez]

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Tim still had a business plan in mind that hinges on the DO-728 program.

 

[deadstick]

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Tim still had a business plan in mind that hinges on the DO-728 program.

He's always trying to stay 5 steps behind the rest of the industry.

 

[hey]

Actually, their plan was to park the 80's, put the replacements on the Skyway certificate, and pay the new crews at the old 1900 rates.

Ha Ha! Does that mean we'll get our jobs back?

 

[deadstick]

Ha Ha! Does that mean we'll get our jobs back?

Of course, we'll get preferential interviews.

 

[maxblast72]

my source for the AAI MKE performance is MEH management, take it for what it's worth. from MZ (the MEH VP of Flt Ops) right before I was furloughed was that AAI was "losing their shirt" in the MKE market and that Spirit was "hurting quite badly". our MEC also stated that MEH management was "bragging" to them about AAI's MKE numbers: it was the only time during their meeting that TH spoke and where they exhibited any enthusiasm.

I don't know how your management would have any idea what our yields are out of MKE. I know you have Midwest employees on our concourse counting how many people are getting on the flights, but that doesn't say anything about what ticket prices they are paying.

Everytime I check out the loads of MKE on ftweb while at work, it appears the west coast flight (including redeyes) all have over 110 people. BOS, LGA, and DCA are lighter but usually around 70-80. I would imagine that our CASM on the 737's is at least 30% cheaper than Midwest's, so if we are loosing our shirts, you guys are loosing your pants as well.

But like you said, we will see whether we add flights or reduce flights. Or maybe, we will just come in and wreck your yields during the profitable summer months every year and let you guys stumble through the winter as we redeploy our fleet to the Florida routes.

 

[CitationLover]

I don't know how your management would have any idea what our yields are out of MKE. I know you have Midwest employees on our concourse counting how many people are getting on the flights, but that doesn't say anything about what ticket prices they are paying.

Everytime I check out the loads of MKE on ftweb while at work, it appears the west coast flight (including redeyes) all have over 110 people. BOS, LGA, and DCA are lighter but usually around 70-80. I would imagine that our CASM on the 737's is at least 30% cheaper than Midwest's, so if we are loosing our shirts, you guys are loosing your pants as well.

But like you said, we will see whether we add flights or reduce flights. Or maybe, we will just come in and wreck your yields during the profitable summer months every year and let you guys stumble through the winter as we redeploy our fleet to the Florida routes.

west coast flights traditionally are LOW YIELD routes that barely make any money (what routes have AAI dumped lately, oh yeah west coast ones to LAS). PHX and LAS you are primarily competing with LCC and not us as the market makers.

BOTH carriers are struggling with the current environment. bragging about coming in and "wrecking" our summer yields is suicide in this environment, but I guess AAI can issue additional convertible bonds to generate much needed cash. redeploying to "florida" routes ain't good either: florida is another LOW YIELD market as most vacation ones are.

and our management (as yours wrt to ours) has a GREAT idea what your yields are. we simply match your walmart undercut prices and can directly witness and compare. i should hope your CASM is lower than ours as your airline is a lot younger than ours. when your airline gets to our current age (24) and has the seniority of our workers then you can directly compare CASM's. Fuel CASM is driving the problems these days anyways.

 

[CitationLover]

for simple comparison purposes.

just looking at MKE-LGA for a fare for 7/3 and returning 7/6.
AAI $178 (web special), $368.50 (adv coach)
MEH $333.


now MKE-BOS:
AAI $266
MEH $274.

now MKE-DCA:
AAI $222.50 (web special), $297.50 (adv coach)
MEH $424