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Midwest fires ground crews; rehires them at Skyway pay

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Midwest is going to eliminate their own ground workers. Then, Skyway will hire these workers back, at Skyway pay, to NOT service Skyway, but to service MIDWEST. I feel sorry for these people. Many will lose 10+ years of seniority and 50% pay.

Article is here:
http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/mar05/306174.asp
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Midwest transferring jobs to Skyway

Commuter carrier pays ground crews less than Midwest Airlines

Posted: March 2, 2005
The corporate parent of Midwest Airlines is eliminating 70 ground crew jobs at Mitchell International Airport and moving an additional 141 such positions to its commuter carrier at reduced pay, a company executive said Wednesday.

The "ramp and grooming" jobs, which include baggage handlers and workers who prepare planes for flights, are being shifted from Midwest Airlines to Skyway Airlines, a regional carrier owned by Midwest Air Group Inc. Midwest Air Group is also the corporate parent of Midwest Airlines.

The move will save Midwest Air Group more than $1 million annually by eliminating overlapping services between Midwest and Skyway Airlines, said Carol Skornicka, Midwest Air senior vice president of corporate affairs.
"This is clearly an area where we know we can get the work done more cost effectively," she said.

The move will eliminate 211 jobs at Midwest Airlines, Skornicka said. Skyway will, in turn, add 141 positions to take over the ramp and grooming duties from Midwest Airlines, she said.

Also, Skyway is taking over the in-flight meal service for Midwest Airlines from an outside vendor. Skornicka said Skyway's commissary will add 60 jobs to help handle that additional work.

Midwest Airlines employees are encouraged to apply for the Skyway jobs, she said.

Skyway starts its ramp employees at $7.25 an hour, compared with starting pay of $8.98 an hour at Midwest, Skornicka said.

Skyway is considering boosting that starting pay rate, she said.
However, Midwest ramp employees will lose their seniority by going to Skyway, Skornicka said. A Midwest ramp employee with 10 years of seniority makes $14.15 an hour, she said.

Because of that pay gap, Midwest management believes many Midwest ramp employees will not seek entry-level jobs at Skyway. She said the non-union employees are being offered severance packages.

The transition of the ramp and grooming employees will be phased in as Skyway hires and trains new workers, Skornicka said. That process is expected to be completed in June, she said.

Midwest Air Group, which posted a $43.1 million loss in 2004, has taken a number of steps to reduce its costs, including the recent outsourcing of around 150 maintenance positions. Midwest and other airlines have struggled as companies have cut back on travel and jet fuel prices have remained high.
Midwest Air Group has almost 3,000 employees, including 2,400 in Milwaukee and Oak Creek.
 
wow, managment is flexing their union busting muscle on non-union employees. they must be bored.

Sad how the very objective news media points out the starting wage as a Skyway ground employee but doesn't mention the hourly wage the ramper will be leaving.

Yes, I feel sorry for them as well. What was once a very proud, family oriented, cult like airline is now turning into another generic airline. So what's the next headline?

"Midwest fires all of it's pilots and offers them positions at it's feeder, SKyway". Ya never know, you just never know.....
 
Hasn't Delta been doing this for a while? I notice some stations we fly to were Delta, and still have one or two Delta employees, but the ramp is mostly DGS and in some cases the whole station goes ASA, or Comair.

General - what's the deal on this?
 
tranceport said:
Sad how the very objective news media points out the starting wage as a Skyway ground employee but doesn't mention the hourly wage the ramper will be leaving.

I think it did...or maybe I didn't understand what you were saying.

cd106 said:
Skyway is considering boosting that starting pay rate, she said.
However, Midwest ramp employees will lose their seniority by going to Skyway, Skornicka said. A Midwest ramp employee with 10 years of seniority makes $14.15 an hour, she said.

~wheelsup
 
AA has done similar things

AA would tell the agents that they would have there hours cut or moved to part time, could tranfer to Eagle for lower pay, but a full-time position. Effectively getting the employee to work moer hours for the same or less pay.
 
Oh man, that's just wrong! Screw the employee, crack the whip, and you know darn well management will work it's way around to the flight crews. Midwest has become Mesa with big planes.
Too bad, they once had some class and distinction.
What worries me is when dire circumstances require desperate measures. Maybe things are'nt going so good for the little curds. Mmmmm...cuuuuurds.
 
crashpad said:
Midwest has become Mesa with big planes...

Given you probably don't work here, how do you come to this conclusion??? Midwest lost $43M last year and are trying to reduce that amount. It's VERY unfortunate that good people are losing their jobs and I sympathize with their plight. What else is Midwest supposed to do? Do you want us to sit back, do nothing and lose more this year? Would that make you feel better?

But to equate what Midwest is doing with the ramp outsourcing, which a number of other airlines have already done in some form, to what Mesa has done is a stretch.

HMM
 
All this is in preparation to make themselves look much more attractive when they need to reorganize. At some point MEH will file, and they will not be able to make changes as easily as they could.

I predict a filing.
 
HowlinmadMurdoc-

"Given you probably don't work here, how do you come to this conclusion??? Midwest lost $43M last year and are trying to reduce that amount."

OK.

"It's VERY unfortunate that good people are losing their jobs and I sympathize with their plight.

Sounds good.

"What else is Midwest supposed to do?

Apply the same ultimatum to the workers at the Corporate Headquarters.

"But to equate what Midwest is doing with the ramp outsourcing, which a number of other airlines have already done in some form, to what Mesa has done is a stretch."

Looks the same to me. Just change the location.

Whats your title in the Mesa Corporate Fatcat hierarchy Mr. Murdock?
 
ultrarunner said:
All this is in preparation to make themselves look much more attractive when they need to reorganize. At some point MEH will file, and they will not be able to make changes as easily as they could.

I predict a filing.

That wouldn't be a surprise...hopefully that won't happen but it's hard to avoid especially with oil above $55/barrel.

CatBird said:
Whats your title in the Mesa Corporate Fatcat hierarchy Mr. Murdock?

Just another lowly-paid peep at the wholly-owned subsidiary...hoping like everyone else I don't get laid-off. And, I have ZERO say in what happens over at the Cookie Palace. That's stratospherically above my paygrade.

Have a nice day CatBird.

HMM
 
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wheelsup said:
I think it did...or maybe I didn't understand what you were saying.
~wheelsup

thnks for the clarification. I was upset when I saw the headline. When I got to the sentence where they mentioned the hourly starting wage, my blood started to boil. The next line mentioned them losing their seniority and starting over...at that point I was near anneurism stage and had to post. Having worked there my anger was taking over.
Thank you. I will learn to count to ten when I read these anti labor press releases. I can't stand it anymore. I feel like that guy in that movie that shouts out the window:

"I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore!"
 
A classless act by an uncaring corporation. I worked there for 3 years, and endured back to back furloughs. During new hire orientation they made it seem all family-like. Too bad that didn't carry over into how they treat thier employees. Sad because they have a very dedicated group there.
 
When HowlinmadMurdoc said, "What else is Midwest supposed to do?"

... and Catbird replied, "Apply the same ultimatum to the workers at the Corporate Headquarters,"

... Catbird could not be more CORRECT!

I mean, really. Midwest Senior Management should think about transferring themselves over to Skyway, too, along with a 50% paycut. How can you argue with that?
 
Heard that the Midwest rampers are to blame for their own demise. They turned down "Union Representation", because that would not fit well with this turnip they call Midwest. The mechanics did the same thing and they lost over 300 jobs. "Unions were a dead end", they proclaimed. Then, the company bought 717's, decided they didn't need them anymore and let them go. Rampers had a turnover rate of over sixty percent a year and were abusing sick leave and workers comp. To hell with them. Goodby and so long.
 
I agree. They voted no on unionizing, (at least they didn't try the crap the FA's did) and the company has to cut cost somewhere. No matter where they cut someone will be pissed. About a year or two ago the turned the DSM station into a Skyway station, and the employees all walked off. They had to cancel a few flights till they could get more employees in there. It's to bad that MEH also just introduced a program so the senior mangement will get bonuses for good behavior too. Give a little, take a little, (or a lot). Gotta keep it even.
 
~~~^~~~ said:
Hasn't Delta been doing this for a while? I notice some stations we fly to were Delta, and still have one or two Delta employees, but the ramp is mostly DGS and in some cases the whole station goes ASA, or Comair.

General - what's the deal on this?

Fins:
You are correct! DAL has been doing this for a while. In a lot of SLC outstations, you'll see former DAL workers now working for Skywest. My question is this, do they at least get to keep seniority with regards to pay/travel benefits??
737
 
And the award for short-sighted management dingleberry move of the month goes to . .

HowlinMadMurdoc said:
Midwest lost $43M last year and are trying to reduce that amount. It's VERY unfortunate that good people are losing their jobs and I sympathize with their plight. What else is Midwest supposed to do?

If you are losing $43 million a year, this isn't going to do squat except alienate the rest of the employees, and make them all start wondering when it will be their turn.

The problem is with the whole business plan, and this doesn't do anything to change that. The first newhire ramper that dings up a 717 is going to offset any savings from this "brainstorm" pretty quickly.

Perhaps a better solution would be to can some upper management weenies who can't seem to figure out how to increase revenues, instead of canning some poor slobs making $500. a week working outside in the middle of winter in MKE.
 
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Ty Webb said:
If you are losing $43 million a year, this isn't going to do squat except alienate the rest of the employees, and make them all start wondering when it will be their turn.

The problem is with the whole business plan, and this doesn't do anything to change that. The first newhire ramper that dings up a 717 is going to offset any savings from this "brainstorm" pretty quickly.

Perhaps a better solution would be to can some upper management weenies who can't seem to figure out how to increase revenues, instead of canning some poor slobs making $500. a week working outside in the middle of winter in MKE.
Yea, but what do we care...Midwest is going to recall 50 pilots by the end of 2005! Who cares who or what is plugging the GPU into the plane?
 
I blame noone but the stockholders for voting in TH and his Ultra conservstive cronnies. The stock holders loose to much more and hopefully bye bye Timmy. Oh by the way we just hired a new VP to the tune of 200k a year plus stock options, I guess we can figure out where his salary came from...

Jobear
In an insomniacs nightmare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
FN FAL said:
Yea, but what do we care...Midwest is going to recall 50 pilots by the end of 2005! Who cares who or what is plugging the GPU into the plane?

Heh... Go over to the regionals board and ask about the difference between rampers who give a crap and rampers who don't. You'll get an earful. Especially when it comes to de-ice time, who sprays your planes? You want guys who give a dam about doing the proper job or guys who don't?
 

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