Middle finger to AA Managment

[AA717driver]

Not blaming MX. Just reporting how the operation is working.

TC

 

[redflyer65]

Hey, it's not MX fault either.

You can point directly to Horton for trying to screw every labor contract on the property. I wouldn't be surprised if he got MORE money for every contract he got thrown out. He looks more and more like Lorenzo.

He'll walk away with millions on the back of every labor group.

 

[waveflyer]

24 posts "OpsCheckGood"?

Lots of F&H folks or their ilk online lately- you're being watched- by Feds, by lawyers, investigators-

What blue dude said, that is a seriously at risk environment-
You know what would suck? Losing your job as AA file ch 13
You know what would suck worse? Trying to interview for the next job with a fresh new violation on your record

Be careful- that's not bs union games- that's serious- there will be examples made right now- from all sides- mgmt and the FAA will be crucifying from opposite ends of the operation-

 

[B727FA]

I support the employees of AMR is their struggles. I also understand the point of the press release from APA. What could be troublesome with that is the inference the general public will make is that UNTIL now, the pilots were willing to fly mechanically deficient aircraft. It's a tough call and there is a gamble both ways--say, "we've been flying unsafe aircraft because we have been forced to" or "we've been flying unsafe aircraft because we were willing to." Either way, the public is going to hear "we've been flying unsafe aircraft..." and stop listening.

 

[G4dude]

http://biz.yahoo.com/n/y/y0002.html
FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
The Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, issued the following response regarding recent media reports that pilots were disrupting flight schedules with trivial maintenance requests.
“American Airlines pilots are trained professionals who are responsible for flying their passengers safely around the world every day. The list of unresolved maintenance issues grows every day on each of the aging aircraft we operate, and we can’t ignore serious maintenance issues that could easily turn into safety risks. Our pilots will not compromise safety, ever,” said APA President Keith Wilson.
“American Airlines chose to reject our contract and the operational procedures and protections that go with it. Understandably, our pilots are taking a prudent and cautious approach in their operational decision-making process,” Wilson added.
Here’s a sampling of the substantive maintenance-related issues our pilots have documented in the past several days:

• A left engine generator failed in flight
• An aircraft sustained a lightning strike
• The ground proximity warning system failed in flight
• A partial flight control failure
• Weather radar test inoperative
• A fuel leak on right wing main tank
• The left landing light was damaged
• A wind shear warning failure
• A brake anti-skid failure
• The engine start valve failed to close

“During the past year, American Airlines has sustained record FAA fines totaling $162 million for improper aircraft maintenance procedures, a strong indication that management’s maintenance practices have raised concerns with regulators,” Wilson noted. “In addition, companies that own and lease American Airlines aircraft have formally complained to the bankruptcy court that AA management has neglected to perform routine maintenance on their aircraft.
“The maintenance situation is not going to get any better any time soon, since management announced plans to outsource many maintenance operations,” Wilson said. “When maintenance operations are shipped overseas, quality control and FAA oversight only become more difficult.”
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association—the largest independent pilot union in the United States—is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, including 649 pilots not yet offered recall from furlough. The furloughs began shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union’s Web site address is www.alliedpilots.org. American Airlines is the nation’s largest international passenger carrier and fifth-largest cargo carrier.


This otta sell some tickets!

Yeah, the APA will fight like crazy to keep a substandard pilot in the cockpit. They are really concerned about safety.

 

[G4dude]

Hey, it's not MX fault either.

You can point directly to Horton for trying to screw every labor contract on the property. I wouldn't be surprised if he got MORE money for every contract he got thrown out. He looks more and more like Lorenzo.

He'll walk away with millions on the back of every labor group.

Horton and Lorenzo are there for basically the same reason, to preside over the diminution of a company rendered worth more dead than alive by the unions, in my opinion. I hope I am wrong about this. AA has some good people.

 

[Ops check good]

you're being watched- by Feds, by lawyers, investigators-

Now that you mention it, I have noticed a black Lincoln town car parked down the block for a few days.

 

[Nevets]

What would you do if you were happy with your contract? Thats what you should be doing. Its a lot more likely for a positive outcome in the end if along the way things don't keep getting increasingly difficult.

MX probably isn't getting there quick enough because they are dealing with several other planes with a sheet of write ups on them. Please don't blame MX.

Curious, what contract do you work under?

 

[scoreboardII]

Now that you mention it, I have noticed a black Lincoln town car parked down the block for a few days.

What, you live in the sixties? Now it's Dodge 300's.

 

[Ops check good]

What, you live in the sixties? Now it's Dodge 300's.

Nope, not the sixties. Check wikipedia........"The Lincoln Town Car is a full-size luxury sedan that was sold by the upscale Lincoln division of Ford Motor Company; it was produced from 1981 to the 2011 model years."

And, sorry but I had to do it. The 300 is made by Chrysler, Dodge makes the charger. They are the same car tho so we can let it slide.

 

[Ops check good]

Curious, what contract do you work under?

Im happy with my career, is that a good enough answer? Probably not but thats what Im sticking with.

 

[HAL]

No real maintenance problems???

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/americ...se-flight-emergency-landing/story?id=17364171

I'd say having a row of seats pop loose inflight is a glaring example of less-than-stellar maintenance work.

HAL

 

[nordo_2]

Yeah, the APA will fight like crazy to keep a substandard pilot in the cockpit. They are really concerned about safety.

What sub-standard pilot are you referring to?

 

[C-150ETOPS]

What sub-standard pilot are you referring to?

The guy is a fool to make that statement, he doesn't know what he's talking about and is about on the same level of a doddering Walmart greeter with the early signs of dementia.

I however know the issues involved from both sides of the house from training at DFW and SAV during my corporate/airline experience.

Sure, you never saw "reputable" big name training companies play games in passing the DOs and Chiefs of their clients. I never saw a failure in that world when there should have been.

I have seen problem children culled from an airline from as early as riding on the flight to the interview as well as after 20+ years. There is nowhere to hide. their fellow pilots will raise the red flag with the Union which will speak with the person, if that tactic fails, the FO's start refusing to fly with a problem child, passenger evidence amounts, and at some point the union will turn the guy over to the company (fellow union Chief Pilots) if the problem child won't reform. If there is no fix, the pilot gets fired.

The only thing I see the union fighting for is to make sure all the i's a t's are dotted and the paperwork is in order. Eliminating the personalities of BS managers trying to make their bones or points while playing politics or favoritism is what seems 99% of the unions defense of pilots consist of. Of course we all know that isn't a problem at most 91/135 Flight Departments, especially those looking for a fluffer job from a well known biz aviation rag that has "pilot" in it's name.

 

[Ops check good]

No real maintenance problems???

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/americ...se-flight-emergency-landing/story?id=17364171

I'd say having a row of seats pop loose inflight is a glaring example of less-than-stellar maintenance work.

HAL

A/C seats are not always easy to secure and are extremely obvious when you do not get it right. That being said the 757 has been around for a long time. Probably not a design flaw. So one can come to whatever conclusion one wants. I still would not blame MX, atleast not AA MX. The outsourced heavy MX well.... maybe but seats do NOT become unbolted for any reason if properly installed in the first place. No mechanic would sign something off if he/she did not believe it was performed correctly, so....