Middle finger to AA Managment

[maxcackel]

Just a suggestion, but maybe you should direct your anger towards Mr.Horton.

+1 And everyone needs to back and support the AA pilots, this needs to stop or this job will be no better than a delivery driver's job. Don't people understand that when something like this happens it's ammunition for other airline CEO's to demand the same?

 

[NEDude]

The unfortunate thing about all of this is the employees and and passengers will be the only ones who suffer. No matter what happens to the airline, the executives will make out just fine, save a bruised ego or two. They will collect their multi-million dollar bonuses and move on to another sweet executive job.

 

[fam62c]

The company can stop this at any time by negotiating a reasonable deal with the pilots that gives the company what it needs to exit bankruptcy profitably with competitive labor costs rather than a windfall that gives the company more than what they need at the expense of the pilots. SW and DAL are doing fine with what they are paying right now, the AMR pilots have no reason to accept something that puts them way behind these companies for years and years. I think the AMR pilots are willing to give the company what it needs, just not everything that it wants.

I doubt very much that upper management will lock themselves into any agreements that limit their compensation to levels below their competitors for years, as soon as they are out of bankruptcy and show a good quarter they will be making more than they did before the filing...you can count on that. They will get an equity stake in addition to high compensation rather than in exchange for compensation like they want labor to do.

 

[AA717driver]

When the FA's bring up a sheet of writeups before departure what are we supposed to do? Ignore them?

When MX is called 30 min. before departure and they show up at departure, what are we supposed to do?

This is the inevitible result of the Harvey Miller school of union busting. They sent out 11,000 WARN letters the other day and wonder why the operation slows down.

I've contended all along that if the pilots do a slowdown, who would notice?

AA is deeply flawed. Now the world gets to see what we've known for some time.

TC

 

[Ops check good]

When the FA's bring up a sheet of writeups before departure what are we supposed to do? Ignore them?

When MX is called 30 min. before departure and they show up at departure, what are we supposed to do?

What would you do if you were happy with your contract? Thats what you should be doing. Its a lot more likely for a positive outcome in the end if along the way things don't keep getting increasingly difficult.

MX probably isn't getting there quick enough because they are dealing with several other planes with a sheet of write ups on them. Please don't blame MX.

 

[AA717driver]

Not blaming MX. Just reporting how the operation is working.

TC

 

[redflyer65]

Hey, it's not MX fault either.

You can point directly to Horton for trying to screw every labor contract on the property. I wouldn't be surprised if he got MORE money for every contract he got thrown out. He looks more and more like Lorenzo.

He'll walk away with millions on the back of every labor group.

 

[waveflyer]

24 posts "OpsCheckGood"?

Lots of F&H folks or their ilk online lately- you're being watched- by Feds, by lawyers, investigators-

What blue dude said, that is a seriously at risk environment-
You know what would suck? Losing your job as AA file ch 13
You know what would suck worse? Trying to interview for the next job with a fresh new violation on your record

Be careful- that's not bs union games- that's serious- there will be examples made right now- from all sides- mgmt and the FAA will be crucifying from opposite ends of the operation-

 

[B727FA]

I support the employees of AMR is their struggles. I also understand the point of the press release from APA. What could be troublesome with that is the inference the general public will make is that UNTIL now, the pilots were willing to fly mechanically deficient aircraft. It's a tough call and there is a gamble both ways--say, "we've been flying unsafe aircraft because we have been forced to" or "we've been flying unsafe aircraft because we were willing to." Either way, the public is going to hear "we've been flying unsafe aircraft..." and stop listening.

 

[G4dude]

http://biz.yahoo.com/n/y/y0002.html
FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
The Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, issued the following response regarding recent media reports that pilots were disrupting flight schedules with trivial maintenance requests.
“American Airlines pilots are trained professionals who are responsible for flying their passengers safely around the world every day. The list of unresolved maintenance issues grows every day on each of the aging aircraft we operate, and we can’t ignore serious maintenance issues that could easily turn into safety risks. Our pilots will not compromise safety, ever,” said APA President Keith Wilson.
“American Airlines chose to reject our contract and the operational procedures and protections that go with it. Understandably, our pilots are taking a prudent and cautious approach in their operational decision-making process,” Wilson added.
Here’s a sampling of the substantive maintenance-related issues our pilots have documented in the past several days:

• A left engine generator failed in flight
• An aircraft sustained a lightning strike
• The ground proximity warning system failed in flight
• A partial flight control failure
• Weather radar test inoperative
• A fuel leak on right wing main tank
• The left landing light was damaged
• A wind shear warning failure
• A brake anti-skid failure
• The engine start valve failed to close

“During the past year, American Airlines has sustained record FAA fines totaling $162 million for improper aircraft maintenance procedures, a strong indication that management’s maintenance practices have raised concerns with regulators,” Wilson noted. “In addition, companies that own and lease American Airlines aircraft have formally complained to the bankruptcy court that AA management has neglected to perform routine maintenance on their aircraft.
“The maintenance situation is not going to get any better any time soon, since management announced plans to outsource many maintenance operations,” Wilson said. “When maintenance operations are shipped overseas, quality control and FAA oversight only become more difficult.”
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association—the largest independent pilot union in the United States—is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, including 649 pilots not yet offered recall from furlough. The furloughs began shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union’s Web site address is www.alliedpilots.org. American Airlines is the nation’s largest international passenger carrier and fifth-largest cargo carrier.


This otta sell some tickets!

Yeah, the APA will fight like crazy to keep a substandard pilot in the cockpit. They are really concerned about safety.