Micro Manager Sir Captains.

[huncowboy]

Dear Sire Captain,

You are a the fine gentleman who finds himself (for whatever damn reason you can't figure out... damn it what is wrong with the world today?) ALL THE TIME or MOST THE TIME paired with FOs whome you have the huge urge to always tell: when to start down, put the gear down, do this, do that etc... you are sick of it too.

There are two things I can tell you:

1. You Sire Captain are not flying by the book. Although you have promised me on leg one you would. That is why everyone else does it the other way. You know, the standard way. It is in the book that goes with your current airplane issued by your current company. No nonoononon... not the one you flew for 30-40-500000 years. The other one! And yeah, they change that book once in a while.

2. You my honor Sire Captain are a micro manager and we all hate to fly with you. Because, unlike you, most of us decide in a delicate way when and for what reason to speak up. But you just can't shut it. You know not everyone puts the gear down on downwind 5 times out of 5 approaches. It scares the people at 250. Ohhh well...

However if you are a cool CA who has to manage someone once in a while, that is perfectly normal and it happens from both sides of the plane. We have no problem with you and the above was not meant for you.

Ohhhhh and one more line to the FOs.

Dear Flap Handle Operator Brother,

If you are ALWAYS being micromanaged by EVERY one of your Dear Sire Captains... ouch.... you probably suck. Sorry.


Alright.... flame away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yeah I am on one of those trips.... crap it sucks. What else is this forum good for other than venting. Huh?

 

[2 Live]

Let us know if this trip gets any better with your hangover tomorrow.

 

[phishn@daves]

Let us know if this trip gets any better with your hangover tomorrow.

Might be the booze but also might be the place. I'm thinking B6 b/c of where he posted and to some extent I can agree.

 

[Dix-Bag]

Wow..

 

[xkuzme1]

...

Did anyone else think that was hard to read?

You Sire do you, think that I might, or maybe will, in certain time adjust when I should?

 

[huncowboy]

Did anyone else think that was hard to read?

You Sire do you, think that I might, or maybe will, in certain time adjust when I should?

Yes Sire it was meant to be read like that. Setting the font to large may help a bit. Just kidding. You may adjust btw. I approve that

I did not get drunk. Also not not B6. It does not matter though, it happens any place I am sure.

Come on someone flame me properly.

 

[Bighorn]

NK.... and you flew with KD or KB or LS. They are the minority I assure you. It will get better. I always say it makes flying with the cool ones way better.

C-ya

 

[BEfly]

maybe if you flew something more "exciting"

 

[clickclickboom]

drunk?

sorry folks thats beyond drunk.. Crystal Meth?

 

[dc8b75v8r]

Say What?

This must be the source of the English Language notation recently via in OKC

 

[gatorbird]

Dear Sire Captain,

You are a the fine gentleman who finds himself (for whatever damn reason you can't figure out... damn it what is wrong with the world today?) ALL THE TIME or MOST THE TIME paired with FOs whome you have the huge urge to always tell: when to start down, put the gear down, do this, do that etc... you are sick of it too.

There are two things I can tell you:

1. You Sire Captain are not flying by the book. Although you have promised me on leg one you would. That is why everyone else does it the other way. You know, the standard way. It is in the book that goes with your current airplane issued by your current company. No nonoononon... not the one you flew for 30-40-500000 years. The other one! And yeah, they change that book once in a while.

2. You my honor Sire Captain are a micro manager and we all hate to fly with you. Because, unlike you, most of us decide in a delicate way when and for what reason to speak up. But you just can't shut it. You know not everyone puts the gear down on downwind 5 times out of 5 approaches. It scares the people at 250. Ohhh well...

However if you are a cool CA who has to manage someone once in a while, that is perfectly normal and it happens from both sides of the plane. We have no problem with you and the above was not meant for you.

Ohhhhh and one more line to the FOs.

Dear Flap Handle Operator Brother,

If you are ALWAYS being micromanaged by EVERY one of your Dear Sire Captains... ouch.... you probably suck. Sorry.


Alright.... flame away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yeah I am on one of those trips.... crap it sucks. What else is this forum good for other than venting. Huh?

huncowboy,

Weren't you the same guy who just a few months ago was so eager to get information about working here?

So, let's summarize: 1) the ink hasn't yet dried on your company ID 2) you probably haven't finished with your 100 hours in 120 days 3) you just got over checking out your cool new Airbus sticker on your flight bag. Am I far off the mark?

Here's some advise--at least until the above categories don't fit, don't be so quick to throw any stones. Ever heard of professionalism? Part of professionalism includes sucking it up when you fly with one of these guys. To be fair, 90% of our guys/gals are a treat to fly with. Yes, we have our 10%, but you said yourself that everyone does. What you're doing makes no more sense than cursing the clouds for the rain.

Some of these guys (your current captain obviously included) were not blessed with the greatest in personalities. Social interaction is not one of their strongpoints, and this holds true for many in the industry. Pilots also tend to be some of the most narcissistic people on the planet.

That said, this guy does demand at least enough respect from you not to spout off some immature rant on a public forum.

Don't be such a putz; we have enough things working against us all already--we don't need you to make us look worse. We already have fresh-out-of-Riddle kids checking their Facebook pages on our crewroom computers. Don't add to it.

gator

 

[Jimmy C. Corn]

Dear Sire Captain,

blah blah blah blah blah blah

Let me guess, daddy paid for all of your training, your BMW, your X-box, and for your spiky hair with frosted tips.

The captain isn't your gardener. He's your boss. And if you manage not to get fired, you'll probably fly with a bunch of captains you won't like in your career.

Get used to it.

Also, most guys your age try to get laid when they're drinking, not raving about nonsense on an internet forum. Try it.

 

[flyboycmsu]

Maybe we could get a link straight to Facebook from the RA login... That would save so much time on my quick turns!

 

[huncowboy]

huncowboy,

Weren't you the same guy who just a few months ago was so eager to get information about working here?

So, let's summarize: 1) the ink hasn't yet dried on your company ID 2) you probably haven't finished with your 100 hours in 120 days 3) you just got over checking out your cool new Airbus sticker on your flight bag. Am I far off the mark?

Here's some advise--at least until the above categories don't fit, don't be so quick to throw any stones. Ever heard of professionalism? Part of professionalism includes sucking it up when you fly with one of these guys. To be fair, 90% of our guys/gals are a treat to fly with. Yes, we have our 10%, but you said yourself that everyone does. What you're doing makes no more sense than cursing the clouds for the rain.

Some of these guys (your current captain obviously included) were not blessed with the greatest in personalities. Social interaction is not one of their strongpoints, and this holds true for many in the industry. Pilots also tend to be some of the most narcissistic people on the planet.

That said, this guy does demand at least enough respect from you not to spout off some immature rant on a public forum.

Don't be such a putz; we have enough things working against us all already--we don't need you to make us look worse. We already have fresh-out-of-Riddle kids checking their Facebook pages on our crewroom computers. Don't add to it.

gator

gator,

You are all correct with the above. I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.

But my post, as just about everyone misunderstood it, was not about a person, or a company. I know these guys and girls are everywhere. I also know that they are pretty rare and talking about percentages, I am sure it is right about the same for every operator.

A hard core micro management has never happened to me until this last week. I lived through it and I will fly with the guy again no problem. He did manage to teach me a bunch of stuff btw. However at its peak all I was trying to do was to figure out what he wants me to do, and I have started to 2nd guess everything I did. This is not healthy and I was about to ask him to finish up all the legs. But the next day I realized I just like flying this plane too much to give away my legs. In addition, a comment like that from me would certainly ice up the cockpit so instead I bit the bullet and started to talk him through everything I was about to do. It worked.

This is the end of the story.

However the post is about micro manager captains in general. I have no idea why everyone's first response is to try to figure out who and what company. Why? Who cares? It has nothing to do with that.

The bottom line is, it is not fun to fly with someone who is doing this. Micro management is not to be confused with the CA's usual coaching and interaction. I have no confusion about who is in charge and who will make the decision. I also know that the FO adjusts to the CA and I do all the time and did it again. I save my battles and copilot inputs for times when safety or my license is jeopardized.

But when someone tells you that you have burned a bunch of fuel because you went down from 350 to 300 2 min earlier than the 3:1 indicates, that is BS, especially when the same person does not want you to use spoilers ever. Ohhh but he will turn 2 almost all the time after push.

Or if you are flying downwind and trying to slow from 250 to 200 and he says not to. Then he makes you wait until you have to drop the gear. It makes no sense to me to haul butt flying 5NM away from the runway in the wrong direction. No traffic behind us btw. Also the gear scares the people in the back at 250. It is loud and you can’t hear ******************** in the cockpit. How about do not put the flaps down at 10NM. I am learning the profiles and energy of the plane and until I am comfortable I prefer to slow down on schedule and avoid high speed approaches. Why is that wrong? Especially when it is right out of the book.

To the rest:
Bighorn,
None of the ones listed above. It does not matter really who it was.


Jimmy C Corn,
I paid for my training full. I am paying myself for my BMW. I am a lot older than you think. Thanks!


Dc8b75v8r,
Just be happy that the official language is what it is or else you would be in deep trouble. Thanks for your worthless input!


BEfly,
Exciting like what? The CL65? Sorry I missed that one. Not much else to add I guess. Thanks!

 

[gatorbird]

If this was the end of the story, then why didn't you come on here and own up to it before half a dozen people called you out on it?

You sound like a politician--only willing to provide an explanation when you're caught with your pants around your ankles.

Shut up while you're still only 3 touchdowns behind.

gator

 

[CA1900]

...the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.

Uhhhhh.... huh huh huh....







Micro-managers drive me nuts; got to enjoy one of those a few weeks ago. I feel your pain. There's a fine line between suggesting a helpful technique, and nitpicking because I don't do it "your way." A good captain understands the difference, and understands that there may very well be more than one "right" way to do something.

 

[kjokmo]

gator,

You are all correct with the above. I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.

The captain was thrusting you.......you ended up being his bitch. That's pretty funny.

 

[huncowboy]

If this was the end of the story, then why didn't you come on here and own up to it before half a dozen people called you out on it?

You sound like a politician--only willing to provide an explanation when you're caught with your pants around your ankles.

Shut up while you're still only 3 touchdowns behind.

gator

gator,

Suddenly so upset? How did you catch me with my pants down? I am not living in front of the internet. I come back when I have time. I don't give _crap about politics. CNN makes me throw up.

The fact that only people with negative, and unrelated comments have contributed to the thread means that there is a lot of soul searching to do. WoW everyone is SOOOOO hurt. There is barely some rational comments. Why is that? Did I hit the soft point with some of the folks here? Is that you guys?

What is up dudes? Are you all hurt that the guy on your right has a different opinion? Did you all grow up flying in the 60s? I am sorry that must have really sucked.

Almost everyone in the thread takes cheap shots at me from different angles except the one that would actually have something to do with the topic.

Comment on the topic people. That is the problem with 99% of the threads here.

Has it happened to you? What did you do to solve it? Have you ever micro managed anyone, and why? Reason with me and show me I am wrong. You can flame too as long you put in a smiley I won’t get upset.

Pathetic and narrow minded comments. That is all I see.

 

[gatorbird]

Now would be the time I'd normally ask how my comments are irrational and unrelated to the subject, but I won't bother.

Now you're 5 touchdowns behind--game's over, I'm turning the channel.

gator

 

[flyboycmsu]

no comment on the ESS remark Gator? C'mon, that was funny stuff

 

[huncowboy]

Now would be the time I'd normally ask how my comments are irrational and unrelated to the subject, but I won't bother.

Now you're 5 touchdowns behind--game's over, I'm turning the channel.

gator

It wasn't about your comments. Fact is, the only conversation I had in this thread was with you.

I am talking about the rest of the comments. On the other hand I am still not sure why are my pants down just because I replied to everyone and finished the story.

I did not own up to anything. I had a bad trip where I had to work a lot harder and I was not paid extra. I was the one who had to shut up, I was the one who had a bad time, I was the one who worked it out instead of alienating the situation. He did squat for that. It is MY social skills that prevented me from telling the dude what he really is and make this a really bad trip for both of us. Just because it got better it does not mean he is a great guy to fly with. I figured out how to fly with him so now I can do it but it took me a LOT OF ADJUSTING. He drove gate agents nuts, 2 leads made comments about him, and 2 jumpseaters gave me the “have fun” look once they exited the plane.

Just like someone said it above, I was his little bitch. I am a professional. I am there to fly the damn plane the way the FAA and the opspecs dictate it. I understand the concept of technique and I am more than willing to adjust to the CAs style of flying but when I am doing too much adjusting that means we are not doing standard stuff anymore. Not only that, but it also means I have no idea what the CA is expecting from me anymore. Now I am going to have to make the decision to speak up, or not. Being new on the plane makes this very hard. Not only are you not comfortable with the plane yet, but you also want to try to keep a low profile. I did not speak up for several reasons but I am not sure that I made the right choice. He was nice outside the cockpit that probably influenced my choice a lot. Unfortunately that should have nothing to do with it. But since I was holding it in for a while I had to vent somewhere and this is a great place.

So what did I own up to? Nothing.

 

[Axel]

Every Captain's dream.

 

[Jimmy C. Corn]

I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.

and from "his" next post:

On the other hand I am still not sure why are my pants down just because I replied to everyone and finished the story.

ah. that explains everything. huncowboy, do you know what a "Freudian slip" is?

 

[huncowboy]

Corn,

I guess I am a real retard because I don't get the connection. Either that or I don't understand your logic.

"I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me."

Translation for you:

And I am not saying that I am an English teacher. But it is good enough for fi.

3 thoughts in the sentence:

1. "I did suck it up"
I decided to not bring the issue to his attention and thus avoided a confrontation. Instead I eded up venting here. I see you doing that as well with your single line useless comments.

2. "I did not mention names"
There is no way to know who the person was as long you don't know who I am. Even if you know me it would take a good effort.

3. "and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me."

He finally believed that he can let me fly the plane. So he did without much of an input.

What is the problem with "sucking it up" instead of getting into an argument? You were the one who said I should know who the boss is. Which one is it? Make up your mind.

What you should not do is guess, make wrong assumptions, and over analyze me. You keep failing in it.

It is pretty simple really. There is such a thing as micro managing captains. What do you think about them? Can you have a conversation about that or are you so used to bending over in the KC that you think it is normal.

 

[Nindiri]

This is what happens when you try to sire a captain.

 

[huncowboy]

Every Captain's dream.

I see you are really at it doing that important stuff.

 

[huncowboy]

This is what happens when you try to sire a captain.

"Sire Captain" is an expression I picked up from one of my favorite former TWA/AA furloughed flight attendandts. It was her way of saying that we are flying with a ******************************. She could do it with a smile.

 

[brian041102]

I always hate when you have a four day with someone you cant stand. The good thing about it is that there are so many pilots that you probably stand a good chance of never flying with them again for a long time. Be professional and fly the way you were taught to by the company and you cant go wrong. If they don't like it they go talk to someone about it.

 

[DrewBlows]

gator,

You are all correct with the above. I did suck it up, I did not mention names, and to be honest the trip turned toward the better once the person started to thrust me.

He was commenting on your typo.

Micro-managers deserve no defense from anyone. They make life difficult for everyone they work with and, frankly are unsafe.

 

[:-)]

huncowboy,

Did you contact pro standards or the CP's office?

That might be the best way to deal with such a situation.