Mesaba reaches TA - Details pending...

[xjcaptain]

Loser talk.

When YOU'RE given the chance to swallow concessions or walk the line (and maybe lose your job), you swallowed. Then you whine that if ONLY SOMEONE ELSE had taken that risk, you wouldn't be in this situation.

You're no better than <insert airline you don't like> because you did the same thing they did.

Don't feel bad. Most majors and regionals have been doing the same lately. The ONLY regional carrier that can stand tall is COMAIR, who acually put it all on the line when it counted during their last strike. But they might have to do it all over again.

Then again you might see COMAIR as one of the first to start the slide to crappy pay when they were in the pay-for-training catagory. Seen it time and time again....pay for job.....work for basically nothing for the first year.....then whine to management that you are not making enough money and not being treated as a professional. Problem is you showed them as a new hire that you are willing to work for nothing. Kinda takes the wind out of your sails.

 

[redflyer65]

The bottom line to this is.....

Any concessions from the pilot group will finance the bankruptcy that the SLT and MAIR put the company into, plain and simple.
Then when the profits start rolling in (and they will be big), everyone can sit on the sideline with the crap work rules while management takes their juicy bonuses and orders another double scotch on the back nine.

 

[marycon]

Are you kidding me? Your company is bankrupt. Paycuts are an inevitable result of banrkruptcy. You and your pilot group would be best served by agreeing to whatever your company needs to survive and exit bankruptcy. You can work on getting your concessions back at a later date. It's better to live to fight another day.

If the company had been honest with us from the beginning then maybe. If at the start they had come to us and said "hey guys, we are in the red and we are sinking fast, what can you do to help" then I'm sure a good portion of us would have tried to help out the company. But this joke of a bankruptcy with concessions like these and the majority of us just won't stand for it. If the situation at Mesaba is so dire then why haven't they imposed yet? They have the law behind them and they have everything at their disposal to stop the hemoraging of money. If they are losing a million a week then the doors should have shut a month ago. Instead, they now decide to sit down and have a little chat with us about that nasty side effect of running a business: labor compensation. Honesty would have saved them millions of dollars in lawyer and court fees and a year of brutal labor negotiations... But this is a self induced bankruptcy in which all of Mesaba's profits were funneled up to MAIR. Thus, this is why the employees could care less if the company goes up in flames.

 

[AWACoff]

I recall holding a picket sign and sitting in a van leaving the strike center for the airport when a phone call arrived. It was the Negotiating Commitee telling us to give them just a few more minutes. This was Air Wisconsin 2001. You can make management blink.

Who is more needy... the CEOs making millions or the starving pilot who can take a job at McDonalds as a manager and not suffer a paycut?

 

[Gator1999]

They didn't flat out lie to anyone.

That's a bunch of crap! They did lie to everyone. As a former XJ'er and a no voter to the last contract, I remember talking to a CVG MEC guy and he plain out told me that at the time that the TA came down, there were people in the MEC and NC that were flat out against accepting it. However, when asked during the road shows, all those guys said that the vote to accept the TA was UNANIMOUS! They've lied to you once, they'll do it again.

Read the TA, make up your own mind, then vote your conscience. Don't let them make it for you.

 

[Dodge]

The vote for the 2004 TA was unamimous because at least 2 voters were told that it would look bad if the LEC's showed up with a TA that wasn't fully accepted by the MEC/LEC. Now that, is a fact, Jack.

This concessionary TA will be presented to the pilots in the same fashion has the last. "You have to vote yes for this." "Live to fight another day." "It puts us in great shape for growth." "You gotta be a Captain before you can expect to make any money." (music to the ears of a FO maxed out on pay)
These were all the things we heard in 2004. The same soundbites and party line statements will be said this time around.

I know that the MEC/NC do a hard job, but don't tell me how to vote on a TA and why I should vote the way you want me to. Let us all read it and decide for ourselves.

 

[Gator1999]

Dodge,
It wasn't unianimous because there were people who opposed the TA but they were also the Wychor sheep that were coaxed into changing their votes and then selling out to the rest of the pilot group by saying that they actually supported the TA, when in fact they didn't. Big fat lie!

And yeah, I think that you're right. I think that these spineless individuals will roll over again...it'll be 2004 all over again.

Like I said before, read the TA and vote your conscience. No one is telling you how to vote, just know the facts...

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Dodge,
It wasn't unianimous because there were people who opposed the TA but they were also the Wychor sheep that were coaxed into changing their votes and then selling out to the rest of the pilot group by saying that they actually supported the TA, when in fact they didn't. Big fat lie!

And yeah, I think that you're right. I think that these spineless individuals will roll over again...it'll be 2004 all over again.

Like I said before, read the TA and vote your conscience. No one is telling you how to vote, just know the facts...

Gee, I didn't know that it was so black and white! Do you know why they opposed the 04 TA? Was it all the items in it, or just 1 item? For some guys, it's all about what the hourly rate is and that's it, nothing else. Always whining about whose got a better contract than us, not those who have contracts worse than us. I heard 9E is getting block-or-better in their new contract, but it doesn't kick in until DOS +3, when it will probably be the year 2011. XJ had it in their contract in 1993, which would make it 18 years earlier. I would never vote based on my conscious, just the facts work for me. Getting emotional about this stuff messes up your head, and that sometimes keeps you from thinking straight, so your last paragraph is a contradiction in terms.

By the way, we all miss you. You were a lot of fun to fly with.

 

[Gator1999]

Thanks man. I miss all you great guys/gals too and wish you all the best! Good luck!

 

[xjjetdog]

Hey Gator,

Thanks man. I miss all you great guys/gals too and wish you all the best! Good luck!

Quit your Biatchin'