Mesaba reaches TA - Details pending...

[XJPilot547]

Excellent post avrorj-85. I agree our NC have worked very hard and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Emotions are still high and I think everyone needs to take a wait and see approach.

 

[Poahi]

I bet Trenary and Co. are down on Beale Street celebrating the fact that the standards have been set even lower now. I can just see it "... we will need to make certian concessions to be competitive with Mesaba." Sometimes, we are our worst enemy. I hope they vote no. I know when my company gets whipsawed again, we have half the guts of the NWA flight attendants.

Remember this: the bottom is wherever we want it to be. Sometimes, its better too walk away.

 

[Buck_Boley]

Good post avrorj-85. Let's check the runway first before we
take off.

 

[xjhawk]

stop bashing each other, i think the sole problem here is ALPA not bringing the pilots together and allowing the race to the bottom to happen. DWoerth was not bright enough to look into the future and see the writing on the wall that said this crap was coming. OH the other problem is greedy pilots who say not to across the board rules and wage minimums. i mention this to fellow mesaba pilots and they laugh and say no way...... well to all of those out there who want to bitch about this problem, come up with a solution and tell your rep. But look at all the unions which are successful in protecting their careers.....the blue collar ones who do construction. yes they have their faults, but, when they make an hourly wage, its standard across the industry. period! Oh, and their unions also take care of health care and retirement.

Now about the new TA, what i ask is mmmmm what will i lose? will it be our 11 day minimum days off? our four hour min day? How many percent will i lose off my pay? I am thinking 6%. I know we are getting some version of PBS, but will it be like our flight attendants? will we get screwed like they do when scheduling? Now is there a carrot at the end of this stick they have been beating me with? What will make some of the pissed off pilots sign yes to this contract? What sort of spin will our MEC give us? I trust their judgement, but i think we all got handed a ******************** sandwich by our government and court system. Period. Three rounds for the revolution!

 

[xjhawk]

well said

Come on, folks. Why not wait a day or at least see what was agreed upn before dismissing it as garbage. All along through this process our MEC and Negotiating committee have told us that they would not agree to something that the pilots would not ratify. I believe them when they say that. I am sure that they were very careful how this deal was put together, especially since basically the whole industry is watching us at this point. I am not sure how I will vote yet, but then again I have not seen it yet. That is my point. If this truly is a substandard TA, then it should be treated as such and voted down and yes even criticized by all the experts here on this board. But at least wait for the details before the bashing begins. Our Negotiating committee has been busting their tails on this and I believe they should have the benefit of the doubt at this early, early stage.

our MEC and negotiators have been doing a great job, lets wait and see! But i still say we have been fundementally screwed by our government.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Thanks for selling us out ALPA ---From an AMFA member!

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

What happened to ALL or NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blackbox]

can I take a dump in their flight bags???

Hey buddy, pinnacle is barely a half step, if that, above mesa.

 

[172driver]

We're watching closely at Comair. We'll soon be travelling down the same path. Hate to say it, but you guys might have our fate in your hands too. We'll almost certainly follow your lead. If I may point out one thing, a pilot contract has NEVER been imposed through 1113. Every group faced with the prospect has folded in the eleventh hour, motivating even more companies to file. I feel your pain and will support whatever decision you make as a group but sure hope it's a big fat F you.

 

[avrorj-85]

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What happened to ALL or NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know tensions are high at this point, but again please, please do not pre judge this situation. There may very well be some language in our TA that would not let it take effect until ALL the unions have deals. I do not know this for sure, but again our unions have stuck together through this whole thing like never before. They have said that it is "all for one" and I believe them. IF that is not true and we all find that out tomorrow then I think you have every right to make your previous statement. Hang in there Xjers and let the smoke clear before we start hurling insults.

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Whats to Judge?? ALPA sold us out just like they did for the NWA AMFA strike.

 

[avrorj-85]

How?

Why do you think ALPA sold you guys out in XJ's case?

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

Lets see, Will Not Accept A TA Untill ALL Members of the Coalition Have TA's.

What happened to that?

 

[OttoPilot]

Lets see, Will Not Accept A TA Untill ALL Members of the Coalition Have TA's.

What happened to that?

Come back tomorrow when you sober up....

One of the three unions has to be first to get a TA.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah, i am sure our reps would have the same language as in any type of agreement, ours will not take effect til yours does. I am sure the reason they got us "done" first was that in order to make deals for the future, they had to have the pilots wrapped up....which with atttitudes the way they are, some may vote no just out of principle.....every one has thier own agenda....but the unions have been united thus far, just wait and see. Oh, and lots of guys i have flown with have said they are willing to sign to just keep their job, dam the company plays this game better than our split labor groups do.