Mesaba reaches TA - Details pending...

[Gator1999]

Go to work you lazy slacker!

 

[FutureHeavyAC]

Guys I really feel for you....I remember when ACA (rip Blue Ridge), ASA, Comair, Mesaba were THE places to go about 5 years ago. Now look at them. This race to the bottom has got to stop somewhere. I really hope this TA gets voted down my a large majority and shows management we are professional PILOTS and deserve to be paid and compensated for the responsibility we take into our hands each day. Good luck guys and gals at Mesaba.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Are you kidding me? Your company is bankrupt. Paycuts are an inevitable result of banrkruptcy. You and your pilot group would be best served by agreeing to whatever your company needs to survive and exit bankruptcy. You can work on getting your concessions back at a later date. It's better to live to fight another day.

This guy sounds like he works for managment

 

[KaptainKarl]

it'll be 2004 all over again.

And if you stayed then, you asked for it. Those who do not respect history are destined to repeat it.

Glad I became a florist.

 

[xjlifer]

This thread is proof that ANY thread on flight info that goes beyond 2 pages is a waste of time to read.

And yet I read it....sigh

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Loser talk.

When YOU'RE given the chance to swallow concessions or walk the line (and maybe lose your job), you swallowed. Then you whine that if ONLY SOMEONE ELSE had taken that risk, you wouldn't be in this situation.

You're no better than <insert airline you don't like> because you did the same thing they did.

Don't feel bad. Most majors and regionals have been doing the same lately. The ONLY regional carrier that can stand tall is COMAIR, who acually put it all on the line when it counted during their last strike. But they might have to do it all over again.

That's strange, I thought Comair took a pay freeze in order to secure additional flying. How is that putting it "all on the line"? At least they had balls once.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

It's a shame how everyone is finger pointing at others for problems at their own company. Let's face it.......the problems at XJ are from XJ management........no one else. They are are the ones who are laughing all the way to the bank watching pilots bash eachother. Best of luck to all Mesaba pilots. It's up to YOU to vote for what YOU feel is right. You can not control what other pilots at other carriers do. YOU can only control what decisions YOU make. And whatever decisions you make, you need to stick together. Make sure you and your peers are thoroughly educated on this TA and have all the facts before you vote. Then vote for what YOU want. You're a great group of people. Don't let others decide your fate for you. Just my two cents. Good luck!

 

[psycho]

hah!

Never met a frenchman whose grandad was not in the resistance. Never met a german whose grandad was a nazi.

In all my years of talking to jumpseaters, I have never met anyone from any regional or major airline that voted yes to a substandard contract. I remember the last time Mesaba agreed to concessions. NOBODY I talked to voted yes.
Some did say they matched pinnacle rates, but guess what, those rates are seven yrs old. Now you have a new piece of crap that will take you back to the eighties. Hope you like Duran Duran.
As for me, My vote will be no when Pinnacle wants me to match your rates. If you folks cave to this then I will be sad to know that all the talk was just that, talk.

 

[Fly4PayNoMore]

Is there any word on what this TA looks like...or is everyone blathering on and on about something they know nothing about?

 

[xjlifer]

Yes to the blathering

 

[IFIxUmUBrakeUm]

If you vote this in, you loose all your power in the appeal!!!

 

[Poahi]

Is there any word on what this TA looks like...or is everyone blathering on and on about something they know nothing about?

The rumor is that it's concessionary. That's the point. The only remaining issue is to what degree. Those who believe XJ pilots are over compensated, please speak up.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Details anyone?

 

[CoATP]

That would cut down on rumor and rampant speculation. Kind of FI anti-productive

 

[GidgetDog]

I like Duran Duran

 

[XJohXJ]

No details to be released until later in the week. Meetings are planned for Thursday evening in MSP, other times in DTW and MEM. The MEC appears to be keeping mum until then.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well at least everyone gets a vote. Kinda nice like that... The company isn't forcing it upon you, your NC/MEC isn't forcing it... democracy at its finest!

 

[KaptainKarl]

The company isn't forcing it upon you

That couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[redflyer65]

And now the mechanics have a TA too. It's a miracle!!

How long until the company runs out of money?

 

[Lear70]

Well at least everyone gets a vote. Kinda nice like that... The company isn't forcing it upon you, your NC/MEC isn't forcing it... democracy at its finest!

Oh holy sh*t... ROFLMAO!!!

Who knew, Rez has a sense of humor. I about lost my drink through my nose after reading that.

I don't care WHO you are, that's some funny shiznit going on right THERE! :smash:

 

[gnx99]

Well at least everyone gets a vote.

Except the 220+ that are furloughed....

 

[WMUSIGPI]

And the well over 100 smart/lucky enough to get out of the overflowing porta-potty.

 

[AvroJockey]

Are you kidding me? Your company is bankrupt. Paycuts are an inevitable result of banrkruptcy. You and your pilot group would be best served by agreeing to whatever your company needs to survive and exit bankruptcy. You can work on getting your concessions back at a later date. It's better to live to fight another day.

Based upon the ignorance displayed in your post, I guessing you don't know much about our situation.

A mistake...I will let you go this time!

You need to get all the facts before forming your opinions...i.e. try loading your gun with ammo before bringing it to a firefight!

BTW, this bankruptcy is unlike any other airline bankruptcy...on multiple levels! You can confirm this with any of our lawyers (ALPA,AMFA,AFA). Additionally, IMO, this is completely fabricated by NWA and/or Surrisi. But regardless of this, it is fact the company has not been honest with us. THIS IS WHERE I DRAW THE LINE! This company has crossed an ethical boundry, from which it will never recover. Money is money, merely a medium of exchange. But to play with trust, as if it were equal to said medium, will result in demise...every time!

I'm voting NO to any concessionary contract. At the very least, when Mesaba (NWA) imposes, I still garner the trust of my colleagues.

 

[captpetefam]

My absolute ONLY regret from leaving XJ is that I won't be able to vote NO on this load of crap.

...Well... the other pilots were fun too...

But that's IT!

As great as everyone was (I do miss y'all), I am HAPPY to say I left that place and the joke of an SLT. I can't say this loud enough:
THERE IS SOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!!!

Yes, I know I might get a bad response from that but it's true. If you are willing to expand your horizons, you will look back on the way they want XJ run and laugh. It would be funnier if there weren’t so many fine employees getting hurt. That's what disturbs me the most. If it weren't for all my friends still working there, I really, truly wish that place would burn down.

PLEASE don't take this crap. Vote no! Come over here (some of you know what I mean)! Find something else! But don't take any more of this crap! It's really incomprehensible.

Good Luck Everyone & SEEEEEEEEYYYYYAAAA!

CP

PS - Gator1999 - Love the Black N' Tan!

PS - Gator1999 - Love the Black N' Tan!

 

[www.]

Additionally, IMO, this is completely fabricated by NWA and/or Surrisi.

She was a contract admin for ALPA out of the NWA MSP office for years. She and National had a falling out after the ASA contract of 1998. Her husband is in mgmt at NWA also. Interesting.

Good luck guys.

 

[SplitBar]

My absolute ONLY regret from leaving XJ is that I won't be able to vote NO on this load of crap.

...Well... the other pilots were fun too...

But that's IT!

As great as everyone was (I do miss y'all), I am HAPPY to say I left that place and the joke of an SLT. I can't say this loud enough:
THERE IS SOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!!!

Yes, I know I might get a bad response from that but it's true. If you are willing to expand your horizons, you will look back on the way they want XJ run and laugh. It would be funnier if there weren’t so many fine employees getting hurt. That's what disturbs me the most. If it weren't for all my friends still working there, I really, truly wish that place would burn down.

PLEASE don't take this crap. Vote no! Come over here (some of you know what I mean)! Find something else! But don't take any more of this crap! It's really incomprehensible.

Good Luck Everyone & SEEEEEEEEYYYYYAAAA!

CP

PS - Gator1999 - Love the Black N' Tan!

PS - Gator1999 - Love the Black N' Tan!

Thanks CP! Glad to hear all is well over at CJ. About 10 of us just got emails asking if we can interview in MSP in a couple weeks. Looks like more XJers might be coming over in early 2007. Hope to toast a Black N' Tan with ya soon!!

 

[Gator1999]

CP,
Totally agree with you brother. While I miss all the great people that I flew with, I don't miss that crappy SLT either.

Where are you flying now?

Drop me a PM...

 

[AvroJockey]

She was a contract admin for ALPA out of the NWA MSP office for years. She and National had a falling out after the ASA contract of 1998. Her husband is in mgmt at NWA also. Interesting.

Good luck guys.

I know!!!! She ended up representing XJ for our 2004 CBA. She got schooled by Schraft when she shut the airline down on her own, and we didn't have to strike. I believe she got let go from the Chicago firm she was with as a result. Went to Marr-Hip in Hawaii, still having a hard-on for XJ pilots...hence Chapter 11.

Just how does one get fired twice, and still practice labor law?

 

[BCpilot81]

Not really up to date on the whole situation over there, but I just want you all to know that you are supported by a lot of people in the ATL C & D concourses. Take Care, and be strong.

 

[flap operator]

I've finally figured out who Captpetefam is!! Dude... did you get your deoderant yet?

I too miss my fellow XJ'ers and wish I could vote on the TA... but being furloughed counts my vote out.

Hope to see more XJ'ers over here across the pond. Being here sure has allowed me to both be thankful of what we had at XJ and realize we really were treated like garbage at the same time.

To the current XJ'ers - those of us at WX have been watching from afar the developments and wish everyone still on the property all the best in this awful fight. Wish I could have been there to picket the other day!


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