Mesaba Online Application

[SplitBar]

Capt Dad is in a much better place now. He is so happy that all he does on flight info is bash on NWA, XJ, Airtran and even SWA. Who is trying to make themselves feel better about themselves Dad? You just can't deal with the fact that life at Mesaba is pretty damn good right now. Keep spewing the venom as all it does is show your true colors. Let go man, let go. If your so happy where you are at you shouldn't have to sit and bash everyone else. Again, who is the one trying to make themselves feel better?....Obvious it is you Dad. Your negative and vindictive posts against NWA, SWA, Airtran and XJ only prove what a small man you are. Too bad there aren't any other things in your life that make you feel good about yourself.

 

[Shaheen]

Dad,

Thanks for your advice. Good thing you got out when you did! What you HEAR is not always what is the truth. The realities of what occur in interviews and in training are far different than the stories on the line. There is nothing different the pilot recruiters can do. The training department has to evolve into a new kind of training department that is prepared and equipped to deal with todays regional new hire. The training department has been proactive and sucessful in keeping the washout rate low. A testament to those in the training side of the building.

My question to you is this: what kind of applicant do you think is being drawn to ExpressJet, Republic etc... All the regional airlines have roughly the same starting pay. There are far worse places to start out at than Mesaba. Gone are the days of regional airline attracting resumes with 1 to 2 thousand hour instructors! The ones that want to be airline pilots are getting hired at far less times than in the past. Again, the sign of the times.

XJ and every other regional out there is dealing with the situation the best they can. Some are probably just filling classes to fill classes. We, thankfully are not. Even if our starting pay was $50/hr we'd still be attracting the same people. Not everyone can start at NetJets, Southwest or FedEx.

Thanks for the discussion. Enjoy your new career and keep thinking of us little people at Mesaba. Oh, by the way, I think you'd be surprised to know what level of experience the few that have washed out had. Here's a hint... it wasn't the low time guys.



FO

Good Post!

 

[Shaheen]

Capt Dad is in a much better place now. He is so happy that all he does on flight info is bash on NWA, XJ, Airtran and even SWA. Who is trying to make themselves feel better about themselves Dad? You just can't deal with the fact that life at Mesaba is pretty damn good right now. Keep spewing the venom as all it does is show your true colors. Let go man, let go. If your so happy where you are at you shouldn't have to sit and bash everyone else. Again, who is the one trying to make themselves feel better?....Obvious it is you Dad. Your negative and vindictive posts against NWA, SWA, Airtran and XJ only prove what a small man you are. Too bad there aren't any other things in your life that make you feel good about yourself.

Well said SplitBar!

As for 'Dad'; first he doesn't understand 'Figure of Speach'. I found this definition for him on the net: "
A Figure of Speech is where a word or words are used to create an effect, often where they do not have their original or literal meaning.
If someone says that they are 'starving', they do not mean that they are in fact dying of hunger, but that they are very hungry. This is a simple example of a figure of speech, where the word is used to heighten or increase the state that they are describing. A metaphor or a simile are two of the most common forms used."

Second word (and phrase I borrowed from pprune) for Dad: SCHADENFREUEDE.
"The pilot community thrives on misguided schadenfreuede – human nature to boost our existential situation."

 

[Way2Broke]

I think they are getting plenty of apps now. PIC 121 is much sought after, especially in today's market.

 

[captain dad]

I Am The God Of Hell Fire!

You are all right. I am a bit bitter and upset at the very airlines that my company uses to transport me to and from my job. However, it is not you, the pilots, that I raise issue with. I feel the spirit coming now. That is not my intent at all. I am but a bringer of inspirations and salutations. Oh here he comes now. Look Out Y'all! I have gone forth to the promised land and now cast my light back to you. Not to judge your iniquities, but to show you the error of your ways and expose the true demon that lies beneath. That demon is the most vile, deceitful and repugnant creature that crawls this earth. It is from his bowels that festers and oozes forth the most unholy of creations...the concessionary airline contract. That demon is none other than the major airline CEO. Can I get an AHMEN my brothers and sisters? Oh Good GOD!!! No one is exempt from his contempt. All shall fall before the time of the reckoning; and when they do they to shall feel the pain and suffering of thousands lost before them.

If that don't make you laugh, then I have lost my touch.

I worked, and worked damned hard, for those butt holes for ten years. They will send your kids to the food shelf before they give up their $40,000,000 stock options. (except for Grinstein and the incredible folks at SWA- I just hate the cattle cars)

I am on your side. All I am saying is...

WAKE UP!!!

Life is too short!

I don't understand how anyone can be content to work for a company like that; no matter how much they pay you.(which now a days isn't that much)

I couldn't stomach it anymore and luckily got out.

I'll stop bashing. I know it is pointless.

I do reserve the right to bitch however.

Later.:laugh:

 

[Flybet3]

I was called for an interview about 15 hours after applying......

I was actually called about 3 hours after applying! When they said "Hey this is Mesaba" I was like....ummm, say again????????

 

[captain dad]

I was actually called about 3 hours after applying! When they said "Hey this is Mesaba" I was like....ummm, say again????????

I'm not going to say a fu#!ing word. I promised.

 

[Raskal]

Ok dad (gotta love the nick), I have to at least respond to a couple of things.

I am one of those guys who are going to the interview for the street ca position. I am qualified and have interviewed at your company also. I turned it down, it is a great operator filled with some really good people and has a bright future. I have a few friends that also work there and echo your sentiments.

Unfortunately, some things just don't work for me at this point in my life, namely domiciles and schedule. The 7/7 thing just isn't for me, even though I seem to be in the minority on that one.

However, make no mistake, though a bit harsh I do understand your posts and both appreciate and will remember them in my hopefully new position with XJ. It's a risk, yes, but frankly if it doesn't work out my previous experience allows some other doors to remain open and this will hopefully open some new ones.

I think the apps from qualified folks that are going in (I know of 3 other friends with the same experience as me also interviewing for this) are all from people willing to sacrifice some pay for QOL, even at a regional. Depending on one's situation, different things are important in life. All the bashing aside, I think that's what people are trying to say with the responses so far.

 

[captain dad]

Ok dad (gotta love the nick), I have to at least respond to a couple of things.

I am one of those guys who are going to the interview for the street ca position. I am qualified and have interviewed at your company also. I turned it down, it is a great operator filled with some really good people and has a bright future. I have a few friends that also work there and echo your sentiments.

Unfortunately, some things just don't work for me at this point in my life, namely domiciles and schedule. The 7/7 thing just isn't for me, even though I seem to be in the minority on that one.

However, make no mistake, though a bit harsh I do understand your posts and both appreciate and will remember them in my hopefully new position with XJ. It's a risk, yes, but frankly if it doesn't work out my previous experience allows some other doors to remain open and this will hopefully open some new ones.

I think the apps from qualified folks that are going in (I know of 3 other friends with the same experience as me also interviewing for this) are all from people willing to sacrifice some pay for QOL, even at a regional. Depending on one's situation, different things are important in life. All the bashing aside, I think that's what people are trying to say with the responses so far.

Wow! I don't understand, how the....

I promised.

I think we all can agree that the major that the regional works for all but controls the show. If nothing else at least at XJ and Spinnicle. And sh!t still rolls down hill right?

Check out the link below. Old news but a reminder that we should never forget just like 9/11. (Never mind the bumb from MN that got sworn in on a Koran. That is a whole nother story.)

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/web_v...070609234.html

 

[flap operator]

Thank you father, I mean Dad. Look beyond your rose colored glasses you wear. Remember those 6-9 year FOs you worked with at XJ? Well, most of them are FINALLY captains. You know what that means? That means we're all starting to build our PIC time to be able to advance our careers.

If you were a CA when you left XJ, good for you. You had the good fortune of riding the good times wave at XJ and had the ability to move on. Not all of us were as fortunate. That being said, just because we're at XJ at this time, does't mean we're all planning on making XJ a career. It means it's a good place to remain until we're able to move on. For many giving up 6-9 years of FO seniority only to make a lateral move to another regional was rediculous. Again, not all of us were as fortunate to be able to move on to Southwest, Fedex or Delta.
Oh, and by the way... not everyone WANTS to work for NetJets.

Thanks again for all your advice... We've all been to h.ell and back with XJ. We get it. You can look back and see how awful it was. Throw us a bone and give those of us, your former fellow XJers the respect we deserve for making the decisions that best meet OUR needs in life. Not yours. I hope the hatred you have is for our mgmt and not us. If so, don't be hatin'!


FO

 

[captain dad]

Thank you father, I mean Dad. Look beyond your rose colored glasses you wear. Remember those 6-9 year FOs you worked with at XJ? Well, most of them are FINALLY captains. You know what that means? That means we're all starting to build our PIC time to be able to advance our careers.

If you were a CA when you left XJ, good for you. You had the good fortune of riding the good times wave at XJ and had the ability to move on. Not all of us were as fortunate. That being said, just because we're at XJ at this time, does't mean we're all planning on making XJ a career. It means it's a good place to remain until we're able to move on. For many giving up 6-9 years of FO seniority only to make a lateral move to another regional was rediculous. Again, not all of us were as fortunate to be able to move on to Southwest, Fedex or Delta.
Oh, and by the way... not everyone WANTS to work for NetJets.

Thanks again for all your advice... We've all been to h.ell and back with XJ. We get it. You can look back and see how awful it was. Throw us a bone and give those of us, your former fellow XJers the respect we deserve for making the decisions that best meet OUR needs in life. Not yours. I hope the hatred you have is for our mgmt and not us. If so, don't be hatin'!


FO

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

I have nothing but respect for the pilots. I still have friends there that are trying to move on during this next wave. If anything I am trying to wale up those that are too afraid to look beyond XJ. I was one of them. I finally had enough and now that I am out, I wished I did it five years ago. NJ is hiring a lot of XJ guys not just captains but FOs to. For me it looks like it will be my final stop in my career. I know it is not for all. I interviewed at four other airlines about the same time. I was turned down by two and hired at two others. I had the fortune to choose between three jobs. Total luck, but it can be done.

Even if you think you can't get those apps out. Take the time to do it. PM me if you want to know about NJ I will give you all I can from my limited experience.

Good Luck.

 

[flyinhigh21]

Well, looks like they don't want me quite yet. I got an automated email that said that others' qualification may best suit their needs at this time.

 

[flyinhigh21]

Also, my status changed to "On File". Is that a bad thing? If I update my resume will it even be looked at anymore?

 

[ILuvKittyLitter]

I just got the phone call but I was in the kitchen and didn't hear the phone...lol I called back and left a message. Is this captain slot for the 340 only?? Anyone know?

 

[Rick]

Got the same email flyinhigh21. I guess we can just keep flying and trying.

 

[KingNothing]

They havent started captain hiring yet. Should be around 2 weeks away from when they hold them.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I thought that there were some people already interviewing for them... Also, if you were hired for an F/O position, wouldn't you just bid Captain right away and hold it if you have the time? BTW, my status says "Approved for Review" and I put in for the Captain position.

CM

 

[XJohXJ]

I thought that there were some people already interviewing for them... Also, if you were hired for an F/O position, wouldn't you just bid Captain right away and hold it if you have the time? BTW, my status says "Approved for Review" and I put in for the Captain position.

CM

Yes. Is doesn't really matter if you're hired on as an FO or a Captain. If you meet the time requirements (ATP mins) and bid for the CA spot, and have the seniority (which would be zero, if they're putting street captains into that particular domicile, don't know if it's DTW or MEM or both..) you will be awarded the upgrade. The only problem is in streamlining training for these guys. I don't know what the companies plan is to do this.

Also, you could potentially be bypassed for a few months, but you'll still get captain pay starting 8 weeks after the class start date for the bid you were bypassed on.

 

[Captain Morgan]

That's what I thought, thanks. I put my stuff in for the Captain position, but I wonder if I should put my stuff in for the F/O spot to speed things up? Also, what do you guys think about that job fair in DFW? Would it help things?

CM

 

[CFIfornow]

I just got the phone call but I was in the kitchen and didn't hear the phone...lol I called back and left a message. Is this captain slot for the 340 only?? Anyone know?

I believe it is for the Saab only. They have a long way to go down the seniority list before they have street captains in either of the RJs