Mesaba in KATL

[Stifler's Mom]

Hardly anybody truly holds in ATL these days. You get slowed down or vectored all over Georgia so ATC doesn't get knocked on their performance numbers.

 

[flap operator]

ATL the armpit of the south? Hardly! That glorious title hands down, MUST go to MEM.

As for XJ in ATL - the only thing we KNOW is that there will be some saab flying, there will be some 900 flying and as of now noo base. So this size of DTW and gloating BS is just that.... BS.

Once again... thanks for the welcome to DCI. Mesaba wasn't born yesterday and neither were the crews. It's not as if this new found XJ fortune is because we're all wet behind the ears and were spawned from Ch11 and this merger. I think we can handle the rigors of ATL and what games DL and DCI will play.

 

[XJohXJ]

One thing that could be pointed out here is that, last time I checked: NWA management and Delta management are the same people, and have been for about a year or so. Once RA jumped back in, the difference between NWA and Delta ceased to exist.

We've lived through the NWA beatings, so now the only thing changing is the color of the whip.

 

[Regional4life]

I was Nonreving between MSP and MEM the other day. Saw JS and JR on the plane down to MEM. I followed them down to the fishbowl and saw where they were taking measurements for the new fishbowl that they are going to put in ATL. They wanted it to be just as cozy as MEM to remind guys of home. However, I hear it's going to be two square feet smaller.

Plus, they are trying to figure out how to get all the aircarts over to ATL. They want to make sure that everyone stays cool and comfortable.

See, these guys have made a turnaround. I also heard they are bringing back the Christmas party this year and handing out free turkeys again. I've got my baster all ready to go.

 

[Tarzan]

Mesaba wasn't born yesterday and neither were the crews. It's not as if this new found XJ fortune is because we're all wet behind the ears and were spawned from Ch11 and this merger. I think we can handle the rigors of ATL and what games DL and DCI will play.

Certainly not from the merger but I believe you may have missed the point on where the Mesaba growth has come from. It is a direct result for the reorganization and terms imposed on you guys by the bankruptcy. It is on that regard and that is how DAL plays the game. There are quite a few guys that are wet behind the ears. Not in the aspect of flying airplanes possibly but new to Mesaba therefore cheap. Don't kid yourself on the real rationale behind why those airplanes are going to Mesaba.

The major handicaps you guys will face will be the snap back and the fact that Delta owns the company now. Because there is a supposed contract the fly the planes for a certain period of time means nothing. Will Delta sue itself when they decide to give the flying to someone else who is doing for $10 per metric hour less? Unlikely. More likely chance they have awarded within the wholely owned section because they have much more leverage to move those planes later if they choose too. This isn't the case when it comes from outside.

 

[XJohXJ]

Thanks for the lesson on contracts, Tarzan. We signed a new 10 year contract with NWA for Avro service just a few months before every single Avro was gone.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

4300 feet, huh? I think the shortest strip we'd take the Saab into was Benton Harlem, but that was 5100 of icy goodness.

What's the shortest runway Saab destination right now?

I forget which city has it but I took off the short 4300ft or so runway in either YKF or YXU last year.

 

[SEVEN]

Quit your gloating. You're new to the DCI thing. One thing you need to understand about DAL is that they will change their minds quite a few more times before anything happens. You guys won't be getting as much in ATL as you've been lead to believe.

No one is gloating, just stating the facts. My statements are based on "fairly credible" information. I'll say it again: Delta Airlines Inc. wants Mesaba's new base in ATL to be a large as the DTW base as soon as possible. What is so hard to understand about that? Delta's CEO has a long history with Mesaba and respects what our company will now bring to the table; a safe, economical and reliable regional carrier for the new Delta. It's as simple as that.

 

[USCtrojan]

No one is gloating, just stating the facts. My statements are based on "fairly credible" information. I'll say it again: Delta Airlines Inc. wants Mesaba's new base in ATL to be a large as the DTW base as soon as possible. What is so hard to understand about that? Delta's CEO has a long history with Mesaba and respects what our company will now bring to the table; a safe, economical and reliable regional carrier for the new Delta. It's as simple as that.

And Delta's DCI Contract requires ASA to do 80% of the Connection flying out of Atlanta. If ASA is a great example of how Delta runs wholly owneds, then Mesaba will learn. Don't get me wrong here, welcome to the ATL. Delta will siphon any and all money that Mesaba makes, and will give you just enough to survive and operate. Just ask the Comair guys how it is to be owned by Delta. Maybe if you're really lucky, Delta will send some of their Managers over to make the whole process complete. Need I give you a resume of how Skip Barnette (ASA), Brian Lebrecque(ASA), John Selveggio (Comair), and anybody else who ran these Companies fared?

Trojan

 

[flap operator]

Thanks you Tarzan and the rest of the DCI boyz for reminding me and many XJ pilots exactly what contract 2001-2004 and Ch11 was all about. It must have escaped our minds, how fun those years were.

Don't lecture any Mesaba pilot on how we got where we are today. We know very well, since we are carrying those sacrifices on our backs, everyday. So, who the heck are you to educate us as to the reasonings behind the current state of affairs at XJ?

Where were the rest of the regional pilots when Mesaba shrank, sacrificed and saw its darkest days? Oh, that's right... growing, prospering, riding the wave and furthering their careers. Now that it's our turn, the rest of our "brothers" throw rocks, call us sell outs, treat us like job stealers, undercutters and lecture US on how the industry works? That's rich.

 

[XJohXJ]

And Delta's DCI Contract requires ASA to do 80% of the Connection flying out of Atlanta. If ASA is a great example of how Delta runs wholly owneds, then Mesaba will learn. Don't get me wrong here, welcome to the ATL. Delta will siphon any and all money that Mesaba makes, and will give you just enough to survive and operate. Just ask the Comair guys how it is to be owned by Delta. Maybe if you're really lucky, Delta will send some of their Managers over to make the whole process complete. Need I give you a resume of how Skip Barnette (ASA), Brian Lebrecque(ASA), John Selveggio (Comair), and anybody else who ran these Companies fared?

Trojan

Wow, what a great lesson: Our corporate owners will suck every nickle from our operation, and leave us hanging. Never heard of that before...

Oh wait, yeah, we had that bankruptcy thing, where MAIR (where are they now?) sucked a hundred million or so away from us, and then we had to declare BK, because we were soooo pooooor, when all of our money was sitting as cash in the bank just one shell corporation away.

Look guys, we get it, we aren't all new to the industry.

NEWSFLASH:

Delta is giving us flying right now because doing so is the option which gives them the biggest bonus checks. When that is no longer the case, Delta will slash us to the bone and give the flying somewhere else.

We've spent way more time as the red-headed step child than as the golden boy.

Been there, done that, and the wheels keep turning round and round.

 

[USCtrojan]

Wow, what a great lesson: Our corporate owners will suck every nickle from our operation, and leave us hanging. Never heard of that before... Oh wait,
yeah, we had that bankruptcy thing, where MAIR (where are they now?) sucked a hundred million or so away from us, and then we had to declare BK, because we were soooo pooooor, when all of our money was sitting as cash in the bank just one shell corporation away. Good thing we have these DCI vets to educate us.

Apparently you need educating if you aren't aware of the 80% DCI agreement in effect for the next 11 and a half years. That means 20% for everyone else. What will your cut be?

Trojan

 

[XJohXJ]

I don't expect anything from Delta. Do you?

 

[USCtrojan]

I don't expect anything from Delta. Do you?

I expect Delta to honor their DCI Contract. What percentage of that 20% cut will XJ get?

Trojan

 

[NEWSOUTH]

This is gonna be so much fun!!!!

Mesaba, the proudest pilot group in North America. XJ has always been a better pilot group then PCL and always will be. But now, Mesaba is better then ASA, Comair, and Skywest. I can't wait for XJ pilots to school the rest of the DCI carriers. They are the best you know. Sooo much fun!!!

XJ has finally found someone else to educate. They don't win, they win big. They go big. They really should be mainline you know. Sooo much fun!!!! Yes, baby....yes!

Can I dig the grave? Please!

 

[OCP]

Flybywire is right about the turboprop holding....With very few exceptions, when the jets were holding, the turboprops would come right in under you guys. ATL approach sets in trail separation for jets and for turboprops....when there are only a few turboprops coming in....you hardly ever hold.

I stand corrected. We had to hold back in the Brasilla days, haven't been on a TP sinc then.

 

[XJohXJ]

Apparently you need educating if you aren't aware of the 80% DCI agreement in effect for the next 11 and a half years. That means 20% for everyone else. What will your cut be?

Trojan

Um, I agree with you. I don't want your flying. I'm not concerned with what amount of the 20% of ATL flying goes to XJ. I do know about ASA's agreement for 80%. I don't want to work in ATL, personally.

I also know that XJ has no control over what Delta does, and don't think we are guaranteed anything from anyone. I agree that all regional airlines only answer to the mainlines they serve.

Did you read my posts?

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Um, I agree with you. I don't want your flying. I'm not concerned with what amount of the 20% of ATL flying goes to XJ. I do know about ASA's agreement for 80%. I don't want to work in ATL, personally.

I also know that XJ has no control over what Delta does, and don't think we are guaranteed anything from anyone. I agree that all regional airlines only answer to the mainlines they serve.

Did you read my posts?

Oh, stop it already. You know you want all the ATL flying. It will help you in Snow-Town, Mo-Town, or No-Town. Plus you will provide a better product. You guys could probable provide a better product for the 777. I mean you all have the best safety record in North America, right?

Tell the truth.

 

[buscap]

AWWWWW C'mon!!!

I'll just come out and say it.

It sucks big dirty butts that XJ, Peanuckle, Skywest and whomever else are in the ATL doing flying that ASA should be doing!!!

Oh yeah... Comair, Mesa and sheetytaco too!!!

Time for a Coke sing-a-long commercial now.

Let's all share a crew lounge!!!!

blah blah blahh

My airline can beat up your airline!!!

 

[Tarzan]

Thanks you Tarzan and the rest of the DCI boyz for reminding me and many XJ pilots exactly what contract 2001-2004 and Ch11 was all about. It must have escaped our minds, how fun those years were.

Don't lecture any Mesaba pilot on how we got where we are today. We know very well, since we are carrying those sacrifices on our backs, everyday. So, who the heck are you to educate us as to the reasonings behind the current state of affairs at XJ?

Where were the rest of the regional pilots when Mesaba shrank, sacrificed and saw its darkest days? Oh, that's right... growing, prospering, riding the wave and furthering their careers. Now that it's our turn, the rest of our "brothers" throw rocks, call us sell outs, treat us like job stealers, undercutters and lecture US on how the industry works? That's rich.

First, I'm not knocking you guys on this stuff. I am knocking the attitudes of how XJ is taking on a new DCI flying. Other than that, Welcome. I'm not going back to see who posted that it wasn't due to CH 11. It was that which gave the rates that make you guys an attractive work force for Delta right.

Second... Sacrifice? Hardly. That stuff was forced on the XJ pilot group due to reorganization. If you want me to acknowledge it as sacrifice, I'll be happy to toss the Mesa name your way. However, it wasn't the case. I don't begrudge Pinnacle their flying either. They haven't taken one for the team to get the planes. They stuck to their guns. You guys didn't have the choice. It is what it is. Lighten up with the Holier than Thou BS.