Mesaba Furlough

[i fly boxes]

has your company even mentioned a furlough, have they put out an official statement about this?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It has been hinted at during recurrent ground schools quite a bit this year, as far as a reduction notice/voluntary furlough notice, I'd expect one posted by Friday.

 

[xjhawk]

I wonder what happened to our Core business of 49 Saabs?

If the rumor about the leases is true, 2012 is not that far away. More pain for a lot of people. QOL at Mesaba has not been that great over the last few years, more bad times than good times. I would like to think that Delta would excersize their options with Bombardiere for airplanes and XJ would get them. But who knows where they will go. I can only imagine the plans Delta has for us all. One thing is for sure, blaming this on the ecomony is convienent for Delta. Sort of like the bail out way back when "to save airline jobs". The only thing any bail out saves is upper management.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

I suspect the lease company wanted more money than Delta wanted to pay. The lease companies had a rate thrust down their throat from the bankruptcy and now I suspect they think that Delta should be paying market rate for the aircraft again. NorDelt doesn't agree. Unfortunately, I suspect that the lease company can get more money leasing to someone else. Who knows someone will blink but I doubt it.

ALOT of work must be done to the aircraft before they are returned. And that work needs to start now. Engines changed, starter/generators tracked down. The AVROs took a long time to get all the parts in the right place.

More 200's -- maybe. Delta has a bunch of Comair 200's sitting around gathering dust.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I suspect the lease company wanted more money than Delta wanted to pay. The lease companies had a rate thrust down their throat from the bankruptcy and now I suspect they think that Delta should be paying market rate for the aircraft again. NorDelt doesn't agree. Unfortunately, I suspect that the lease company can get more money leasing to someone else. Who knows someone will blink but I doubt it.

ALOT of work must be done to the aircraft before they are returned. And that work needs to start now. Engines changed, starter/generators tracked down. The AVROs took a long time to get all the parts in the right place.

More 200's -- maybe. Delta has a bunch of Comair 200's sitting around gathering dust.

There is more reason than just Delta hates Comair for that.....

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I suspect the lease company wanted more money than Delta wanted to pay. The lease companies had a rate thrust down their throat from the bankruptcy and now I suspect they think that Delta should be paying market rate for the aircraft again. NorDelt doesn't agree. Unfortunately, I suspect that the lease company can get more money leasing to someone else. Who knows someone will blink but I doubt it.

ALOT of work must be done to the aircraft before they are returned. And that work needs to start now. Engines changed, starter/generators tracked down. The AVROs took a long time to get all the parts in the right place.

More 200's -- maybe. Delta has a bunch of Comair 200's sitting around gathering dust.

Yes but 9 Avros were pulled from service pretty much overnight after the announcement of the bankruptcy. Getting them ready to go back to Sweden is meaningless as far as how long they will keep flying peeps here.

 

[mesaba13]

I think we are already over-staffed the way it is and with PBS coming in October this doesn't look good. (100 furloughs due to the 10 Saabs with another 100-150 due to PBS and current overstaffing situation.)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I think we are already over-staffed the way it is and with PBS coming in October this doesn't look good. (100 furloughs due to the 10 Saabs with another 100-150 due to PBS and current overstaffing situation.)

That's about what I am figuring. Basically if you have a seniority number over 900 you may need to be finding a new job soon. Looks like that would cut back to Jan 2008. And include some Saab street captains in MEM.

Unfortunately unlike our bankruptcy furlough, nobody else is hiring right now for any of the furloughs to go to or for the captains to quit and go to, minimizing the furloughs.

 

[79%N1]

I would like to think that Delta would excersize their options with Bombardiere for airplanes and XJ would get them. .

And the ASA guys who had their whole entire fleet of ATR's retired and have 80 furloughs are thinking the same thing.....

And the Comair guys that have a couple hundred furloughs already with more on the way are thinking the same thing.....

And so on......

 

[zasca]

Sounds exactly like Piedmont. Disturbing...

 

[RJLoser]

What? There are no job losses from the merger silly! Anderson and Steenland told congress that. This is from the economy

I'm very, very close to getting out of this mess.

No kidding. Is there any accountability anywhere?

Good luck guys.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Just goes to show you can never and should never expect to make a stable career working at Mesaba or any regional. It was fun for a bit. Back to the status quo of doom and gloom Mesaba. This place has a permanent Charlie Brown cloud over it

 

[Northern Lights]

Official notice out on MyMesaba about the reduction of 10 Saabs. I wonder if they will send back the ones that just came out of the shop with new Delta paint?

 

[CptMurf]

I suspect the lease company wanted more money than Delta wanted to pay. The lease companies had a rate thrust down their throat from the bankruptcy and now I suspect they think that Delta should be paying market rate for the aircraft again. NorDelt doesn't agree. Unfortunately, I suspect that the lease company can get more money leasing to someone else. Who knows someone will blink but I doubt it.

Leases are binding contracts. The SAAB leases were renegotiated to 5 years during the bankruptcy, which had all the leases expiring in 2012. DAL is most likely going to pay a penalty for early termination of the lease. And as far as the line that the company is spewing of the economy. The Saab has one of the lowest CASM's in the DCI fleet and EAS cities are guaranteed income. There's more to this story than is being announced.

 

[SEVEN]

Leases are binding contracts. The SAAB leases were renegotiated to 5 years during the bankruptcy, which had all the leases expiring in 2012. DAL is most likely going to pay a penalty for early termination of the lease. And as far as the line that the company is spewing of the economy. The Saab has one of the lowest CASM's in the DCI fleet and EAS cities are guaranteed income. There's more to this story than is being announced.

That's what I was thinking. I thought for sure it was 2012 on the leases. There is a bigger game plan going on. The leak by the press on the reduction of the saabs forced management to address it.

 

[FOrever85]

"After much discussion last week, Delta’s network planning department made the decision to reduce Mesaba Airlines’ Saab fleet by ten aircraft, beginning in the fall. As a result of this fleet change, Delta also announced the withdrawal of the Essential Air Service (EAS) bids from six airports, citing aircraft availability constraints and the continued weakened economy"

"The combination of Delta Connection and Northwest Airlink fleet has resulted in a surplus of smaller regional aircraft and Delta will continue to make capacity adjustments as necessary"


So we don't have enough planes because we have a surplus?
Wait hold on let us get rid of a couple of planes, there, now we don't have enough planes for the government to give us money.

Un-f*&king-believable

Here we go again!

 

[flap operator]

I interpreted the obviously scrambled together at the last minute announcement as... because we're parking 10 planes, we will have a/c availability constraints, therefore we are withdrawing the EAS bids. In other words, we can't do these new EAS routes, plus what DL has planned for the fleet with just 39 planes.

EAS routes are never guaranteed profits. The company bids to cover the costs and then a 5% profit margin. If our costs go up, the profits go away as the contract terms don't get changed just because we are more expensive. In the end though, it does seem silly to get rid of a very low CASM a/c.

I thought t-props were all the rage again?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well of course, That makes perfect sense to a bean counter and upper management.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I interpreted the obviously scrambled together at the last minute announcement as... because we're parking 10 planes, we will have a/c availability constraints, therefore we are withdrawing the EAS bids. In other words, we can't do these new EAS routes, plus what DL has planned for the fleet with just 39 planes.

EAS routes are never guaranteed profits. The company bids to cover the costs and then a 5% profit margin. If our costs go up, the profits go away as the contract terms don't get changed just because we are more expensive. In the end though, it does seem silly to get rid of a very low CASM a/c.

I thought t-props were all the rage again?[/QUOTE]

Nope, the new rage is the B.S. going on with Midwest and Republic.

 

[Texx]

More 200's -- maybe. Delta has a bunch of Comair 200's sitting around gathering dust.

I wouldn't hold my breathe on this.. DAL is already doing 2 for 1 swaps to reduce the 200 fleet system wide.