Mesaba Furlough

[smartelephant]

Questin: Was Compass created to get around labor contracts with Mesaba, like Gojet with TSA?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

No they got around the Mesaba contracts just fine in the bankruptcy. Compass was another example of senior major pilots selling out the junior guys.

 

[i fly boxes]

Delta is awesome at terminating contracts early, but they have a track record of going back on their word so all is not lost yet, could be just a ploy of some sorts.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

And what exactly are they trying to get out of us by doing this?

 

[WIPilot]

I wouldn't hold my breathe on this.. DAL is already doing 2 for 1 swaps to reduce the 200 fleet system wide.

consider that this is pretty much a 2 for 1 swap.

10 saabs for our 5 newest (delta) CRJ-900's

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Those 5 ex freedom planes are junk. That's a horrible trade. I'd rather keep the Saabs and give back the 5 900s

 

[machaf]

Those 5 ex freedom planes are junk. That's a horrible trade. I'd rather keep the Saabs and give back the 5 900s

But its da 9 baby...DA 9 brah. I don't need Kamagra anymore

 

[Dutch]

For the guys who have done this dance with Mesaba before. Do they give the 60 days notice as per the WARN act or do they consider themselves exempt?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

During the bankruptcy those of us already on line got the official reduction award in November and were out the door in either Jan or Feb. Those that were still in class got a one way ticket home that day.

 

[i fly boxes]

And what exactly are they trying to get out of us by doing this?

You guys were bidding that EAS stuff, could this be a pull out to get cheaper rates? I don't know I am not that involved just throwing out all options. I think they should keep that saabs over the brazilias though.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

You guys were bidding that EAS stuff, could this be a pull out to get cheaper rates? I don't know I am not that involved just throwing out all options. I think they should keep that saabs over the brazilias though.

Not sure how they'd get cheaper rates.
As for keeping the Saab over Brazilia, my guess is look at who has what... Skywest, strong air services contract with a non-union employee group (and just look at the merger to see Delta's opinion of unions) Mesaba, wholly owned so no air services contract with pilot, FA, and mech unions.

I am not sure how Delta is getting out of the Saab leases since they were renegotiated with Saab during the bankruptcy to last til 2012 ( very conviently the same as the pilot contract, any guesses why that was done )

 

[Ridgeback]

I am not sure how Delta is getting out of the Saab leases since they were renegotiated with Saab during the bankruptcy to last til 2012 ( very conviently the same as the pilot contract, any guesses why that was done )

For everyone that does not understand the Saab leases here it goes.

Measaba never leased a number of aircraft (ie 49) Rather mesaba Leased a certain number of hours (example 49,000 hours) spread out until 2012. So mesaba has the option per the lease agreement to operate 49 saabs at 1000 hours each or operate 1 saab at 49,000 hours... Or any combiniation of.

So mesaba (Delta) can return another 10 saabs next week

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well that explains part of why Saab was fighting so much more than most during the bankruptcy...

 

[whaleroast]

Mesaba has the best safety record in the industry and the greatest pilot group around. So it only makes sense for Delta to reduce it.

Go Penguins.

 

[Raskal]

Mesaba has the best safety record in the industry and the greatest pilot group around. So it only makes sense for Delta to reduce it.

Go Penguins.

See, I was pretty much with you until the "Penguins" thing...now you are a problem...

 

[lookin4better]

Time for some low timers to head back to CFI'n.... it cant hurt them to
" pay some more dues " anyway.

Life isnt all puppy dawgs and ice cream brahs!

Its da 9!!!

 

[152hvy]

I enjoyed watching those saabs in CWA, it's a beauty. Sorry about the news!

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

With this reduction of SAAB's do you think that there is some dastardly plan to get the fleet to less than 79 so we have to give money back to the company?

I mean we got snap backs with an increase in airframes, is there some contingent to reverse the snap backs if we get smaller?

Was getting really nervous with all this happiness around Mesaba the last couple of years so this trouble is actually somewhat comforting.

-Battered Pilot Syndrome Sufferer

 

[CptMurf]

Time for some low timers to head back to CFI'n.... it cant hurt them to
" pay some more dues " anyway.

Life isnt all puppy dawgs and ice cream brahs!

Its da 9!!!

A majority of those furloughed (if it comes to pass) will be individuals that had worked for other regionals and furloughed before. This is a bad situation, one XJ has seen to much of.

Too bad your not going to be one of them... brah!

 

[WIPilot]

With this reduction of SAAB's do you think that there is some dastardly plan to get the fleet to less than 79 so we have to give money back to the company?

I mean we got snap backs with an increase in airframes, is there some contingent to reverse the snap backs if we get smaller?

Was getting really nervous with all this happiness around Mesaba the last couple of years so this trouble is actually somewhat comforting.

-Battered Pilot Syndrome Sufferer

Readddd the contract