Mesaba cancels classes

[jschroed]

I was just informed that the class scheduled for 9/26 has been canceled until further notice.

 

[gnx99]

If true, that's not good

 

[noonan]

They cancelled the Avro class because they're not sure what the court is going to rule on NW wanting to cancel the Avro lease. Court date is Oct 6.
The CRJ classes continue as scheduled.

 

[DeltaLima21]

Are they going to continue putting new hires in the CRJ classes, or wait for the ruling on the Avro's?

 

[Dodge]

I guess the furlough and downgrade notices will go out ......again. It's been a couple of years since the last reduction, so its about time to do a little house cleaning. No need for the last 100 or so pilots if 35 airplanes are going to be parked. If the Avro is replaced with 35 CRJ's, Mesaba will just staff to the levels that it was in 2002.

 

[ClippedWings]

I guess the furlough and downgrade notices will go out ......again. It's been a couple of years since the last reduction, so its about time to do a little house cleaning. No need for the last 100 or so pilots if 35 airplanes are going to be parked. If the Avro is replaced with 35 CRJ's, Mesaba will just staff to the levels that it was in 2002.

If they get rid of the Avros, do you think they would dump all 35 in one day? Or do you think they would go slowly?

 

[dondk]

Last time NWA removed the Avro's it was only 5 or 6 of them and over 2 months if memory serves correctly. I would guess it would bea slow trickle IF it was to happen again.

It does suck if this becomes an Avro for CRJ trade (35 for 35). Especially for the Avro crew's and Saab guys looking to upgrade into the CRJ.

 

[Flyingtoohigh]

If they get rid of the Avros, do you think they would dump all 35 in one day? Or do you think they would go slowly?

It's Strong Bad!!

Whenever airline is in trouble just ask yourself, "What would Strong Bad do?!"

 

[Dodge]

Say good-bye to some of your favorite junior FA's. If the Avro's go, so will good chunk of the FA's.

 

[blackbox]

Why would NW want to get rid of the avros? Dont they want their regionals flying bigger planes?

and before everyone gets all excited, I am not an SJS case. But its no secret that NW wants ALPA to relieve scope so the can farm out 70 seat flying

 

[littlebrownman]

I was also informed this afternoon about my 9/26 class being postponed till further notice. I was also told that we should get another call on friday for additional info./update.

 

[Atccfi]

Got a phone call today my interview on the 26th was cancelled.... I hope things turn around at mesaba for the better....

 

[platinumclub]

How about the guys that are currently in training? Are they gonna get the boot...CRJ, ARJ, and Saab???

 

[jschroed]

Those in training are ok for now. I talked to someone there today and informed him the the next class was canceled. It was news to him.

 

[Flying_Corporal]

Why would NW want to get rid of the avros? Dont they want their regionals flying bigger planes?

I guess the real question is do you really need 4 engines to fly an a/c of this size ???

 

[kmox29]

I guess the real question is do you really need 4 engines to fly an a/c of this size ???

You do if the aircraft is built in the UK.

 

[Rough67]

not on website

No pilot positions posted on the Mesaba employment opportunities page of their website.

http://www.mesaba.com/mescom/home.nsf/main?openframeset&Frame=main&Src=/mescom/home.nsf/splash/employment?opendocument

 

[Workin'Stiff]

There have been several times when they HR was recieving enough resumes from internal and rec's that there was no need to post on the website. So I wouldn't turn to that as the definitive source on pilot hiring... But there are quite a few variables that will affect hiring in the next few months...

 

[Av8rPHX]

No pilot positions posted on the Mesaba employment opportunities page of their website.

http://www.mesaba.com/mescom/home.nsf/main?openframeset&Frame=main&Src=/mescom/home.nsf/splash/employment?opendocument

It was on there as of a few days ago. Pinnacle also has taken the pilot posting off of their site as well.

 

[fly4ever]

XJ posted the vacancy award this evening for a CRJ class starting on the 26th for 6 newhires and Oct. 3 for 6 upgrades.

CRJ training is continuing until further notice.

 

[littlebrownman]

Does anyone think that classes will be rescheduled (I was scheduled for saab class on 9/26) in the near future. Or should I just give up on Mesaba and start looking elsewhere.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

I wouldn't give up on the company yet. Hopefully a few questions will be answered for us on October 6th... So hang tight...

 

[RampTower]

Does anyone think that classes will be rescheduled (I was scheduled for saab class on 9/26) in the near future. Or should I just give up on Mesaba and start looking elsewhere.

If Mesaba is your absolute number 1 pick, then hang tight, this is just a hiccup- things will smooth out. We're still getting CRJs and maybe you'll be switched to a future CRJ class!

But some people may tell you to shop around as a backup. I suppose it won't hurt at all if you apply at other companies while you wait. Showing up at another interview and telling them you have an offer from Mesaba tells them you are hirable. Look at it as a plus! Use it as leverage!

 

[arthompson]

If NW wishes to continue operating the ASE route then it needs the Avro's. This is the same reason why UA has come back to ZW and asked to retain some of the 146 flying.

 

[arthompson]

PCL will continue hiring pilots and FA's according to our CEO.

 

[TinGoose1]

NWA is just trying to get new lease agreements with the AVRO's. Why would they park an AVRO and keep a DC-9? Two things are going to come out of this: First, the AVRO's leases are going to be renegotiated. Second, scope is going bye-bye and they will be reconfigured to hold 85 seats. I would think that the real question would be if the Mesaba MEC has enough backbone to require a higher payrate for the additional seats. If they roll over and keep current book for the same aircraft (more seats) they will be undercutting future gains with 70 seaters.

 

[Jimdandy]

They are trying to scare us to get us ready for concessions. And for Pcl that want it as an excuse to give them a crappy contract.

Don't fall for it boys and girls our costs are in line with the rest in the industry. The people that need to give back is the mainline this is their responsibility not ours.

 

[gnx99]

Possibly just a scare. But then they'd be lying in Federal court, to a Federal bankruptcy judge about the Avro being a "potential excess aircraft".

 

[Jimdandy]

True,

But I guess my real point is there is nothing we can do in the form of concessions to keep that aircraft. Even if we worked for free it wouldn't help. The only thing that will change NWA desire to get rid of those things is the banks re-working the leases.

 

[TinGoose1]

Possibly just a scare. But then they'd be lying in Federal court, to a Federal bankruptcy judge about the Avro being a "potential excess aircraft".

Your kidding right? Has NWA ever told the truth to their unions? Federal judge or not, they don't make their plans public to anyone. Do you remember the insider trading that went on during the pilot strike in 99? CEO sells a pile of stock right before the strike and then buys it back directly afterward. "Federal court" doesn't see a problem with this and the upper management at NWA goes free. Just remember that federal judges are appointed by elected officials that are bought and paid for by private industry. Even the FAA knows it's limits, if they weren't affraid of the political fallout from DC Pinnacle would have been shut down after the second hull loss. Even "federal judges" have career expectations, and those judges are accutely aware that those expectations can be cut short with one unpopular decision from the bench. Don't put to much faith in the federal government's oversight of the airline industry. We're the only ones that we can count on to look out for our best interest. If we stand strong we can make a change. If we fold, we'll all be complaining tomorrow about how the federal courts are screwing us. Right now the courts are under the authority of a Republican administration that hates organized labor. How mad do you think the courts are going to be about the unions getting screwed? Those same judges that your expecting to be fair are the same ones that killed the United pilot's pensions, and then sent Enron's upper managment to prison for the same thing.