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[gnx99]

ALPA could come up with the numbers very easily. Maybe take a payrate somewhere between average and industry leading. Then every time a pilot group has a contract come due; here are your payrates management..... You'd think it would take 6 years max for an industry wide phase-in.

I do realize that's an awfully simplistic view though.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

On the todays front page of the St. Cloud Times there is an artical on Mesaba. Near the end of the artical I found it funny what Doug Steenland says. "Northwest Chief Executive Doug Steenland said last week that the airline has made preparations for getting Mesaba passengers to their destination if the airline's workers strike. He won't be able to count on the pilots from his airline." I guess im wondering if Steenland has the Fu&king balls to even think about dreaming of NWA pilots flying struck work for XJ..Even without ALPA maybe he doesnt realize that there are ******************** loads of former XJ's at NW. That have a soft spot for Mesaba...

Anyway, as a Pinnacle pilot, You have my full support....Give em HELL.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Regardless of what Doug would like to do, you have to face the fact that NW has their own, home grown, pilot shortage developing as we speak. From what I've heard, they don't have the pilots, let alone, the aircraft to pick up where Mesaba leaves off...

 

[Dufus1]

I appreciate the fact that so many Pinnacle guys are offering support for those at Mesaba, however, where is their MEC? Are they willing to do what NW MEC did in regards to flying struck work???

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Regardless of what Doug would like to do, you have to face the fact that NW has their own, home grown, pilot shortage developing as we speak. From what I've heard, they don't have the pilots, let alone, the aircraft to pick up where Mesaba leaves off...

This is very true!!! I've heard that NW is canceling DC9 flights all the time and is trying to hide the fact that they are really low on 9 fo's. Also recalling there only getting 1 in 8 to come back. Heard this from the Vice chairmen of the MEC for NW when he was upfront with us.

 

[gnx99]

I'd bet what Doug is talking about is a short term bus service contract. Think of how cheap it would be to charter a bus to Eau Claire, Toledo, Duluth, Fort Wayne, etc. vs. flying a Saab. It sounds like a great way to make money too. $350 for a bus pass!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The only carrier right now that would be able to perform the struck work of mesaba is skywest. It also would be a real bummer to wind up on the "true" scab list over a regional airline.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

I appreciate the fact that so many Pinnacle guys are offering support for those at Mesaba, however, where is their MEC? Are they willing to do what NW MEC did in regards to flying struck work???

I think our MEC is doing a great job!!

 

[kmox29]

It also would be a real bummer to wind up on the "true" scab list over a regional airline.

Please explain how that would be any worse of a scab list than if it were over a major airline. Please explain.

 

[Turtlesfly]

So is Mesaba hiring?

 

[Turtlesfly]

Just kidding. Give 'em hell!

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Please explain how that would be any worse of a scab list than if it were over a major airline. Please explain.

Thank you!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Please explain how that would be any worse of a scab list than if it were over a major airline. Please explain.

Because as long as the company you work for doesn't fold, you have a good chance of keeping your employmeent. However, once you scab, it's a pretty good chance that you are going to be an employee of that company for life.

 

[kmox29]

However, once you scab, it's a pretty good chance that you are going to be an employee of that company for life.

If this were the 60's, I'd say you're right. Truth is, being on the scab list for a union doesn't carry the weight it used to. You basically have 100% scabs wrenching on your aircraft. NWA killed NWA AMFA. They spanked NWA ALPA something fierce. Unless ALPA makes a serious stand, more and more people are going to look at the union as a joke. The Holy Scab List will mean less and less.

 

[fly4ever]

Kmox,

Don't bother wasting your time with this YPF. He is tool box filler - that's all. He is full of himself and would throw his own relatives under the bus to save his job. He doesn't realize that the statement he made above is exactly why we are in this position in the first place - because mainline ALPA leadership has always treated the regionals as second class and nothing more. If the leadership of each MEC had not taken a holier than thou view of the feeders we wouldn't be in this mess.

By the way, as of this moment XJ crews have not taken any concessions, the wishes of the company will be imposed. I think NWA pilots have accepted concessions 2 or 3 times over the past few years and the company hardly had to work at it to get them. YPF you really should go spout your crap to your own pilot group (if you really are a NW pilot).

 

[kmox29]

He is full of himself and would throw his own relatives under the bus to save his job.

Noted.

 

[Yudso]

I hope he has more balls than the NWA pilots.

I think he is an NWA pilot.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Kmox,

Don't bother wasting your time with this YPF. He is tool box filler - that's all. He is full of himself and would throw his own relatives under the bus to save his job. He doesn't realize that the statement he made above is exactly why we are in this position in the first place - because mainline ALPA leadership has always treated the regionals as second class and nothing more. If the leadership of each MEC had not taken a holier than thou view of the feeders we wouldn't be in this mess.

By the way, as of this moment XJ crews have not taken any concessions, the wishes of the company will be imposed. I think NWA pilots have accepted concessions 2 or 3 times over the past few years and the company hardly had to work at it to get them. YPF you really should go spout your crap to your own pilot group (if you really are a NW pilot).

No, what I said above isn't what got us here. What got us here is pilot's inability to properly manage themselves or careers. This has nothing to do with mainline vs regional. It's easy to put the blame on mainline pilots for "bending over", however, what could they have gained by not "bending over"?

No pilot group has taken the necessary steps to regain anything they have lost other than to just look at company profits and demand more. When the company is in the red, they decide to give more. The ones who don't give wind up furloughed or a scab replaces their position. No pilot group currently has taken steps to insulate their career against the changing market.

Instead management has you believe that the upper group sold out the lower group. By moving blame to you guys, you can't see past the real problem. Which is, the changing market. What works for one pilot doesn't necessarily work for another pilot.

Maybe it can be you fly4ever, give us the comprehensive plan to restore our salaries to our 1999 contract.

 

[kmox29]

I think he is an NWA pilot.

You're right...We're screwed.

 

[kmox29]

It's easy to put the blame on mainline pilots for "bending over", however, what could they have gained by not "bending over"?

You could have at least held on to your scope.

No pilot group currently has taken steps to insulate their career against the changing market.

Hopefully, Mesaba will.

Instead management has you believe that the upper group sold out the lower group.

You mean Compass?