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[n25na]

I appreciate what Joe is saying, but I won't be giving a dime. There is nothing to give. Our contract is average as it is. I hear PCL is hiring, go there and get a raise

 

[FlyingFerris]

FOs complaining about taking a pay cut?? Well, I'd be willing to be there're a bunch of your Embry Riddle contemporaries out there that would be happy to take your place for a Walmart door-greeter wage.

They can have it. I can make that much flight instructing, and I would be home every night.

 

[xjhawk]

YEah, our guys and gals did a great job with the crj negotiations. They are as frustrated as we are, now is the time for unity, FO's, for those of you who want to make a living, express your views about walking away from this career. How would the company like it if over night, 500 Fo's walk off the job, taking in account if we do not strike........hey......i for one, will walk if we take any cuts, who is with me!

Hey, here is a thought.....lets all take a breather from work, the last 7 days of the year! now would that be legal? oh who cares...

Where is ALPA national? why are they not establishing one pay structure, somethig standard......livable, instead we have a race for the bottom, oh thats right...they have thier hands full watching the pensions go the way of the dotto

 

[JPAustin]

Well, I don't see how they can legally attack the letter between MAIR and the pilots unless MAIR goes away and becomes Mesaba Holdings or some other name (unless there is succession wording in the aggreement, which I forget if there is or not). As for the 17% accross the board and other reductions? Opening volley. My prediction is for a carrot to be dangled very soon (110 seat pay rates?) and the eventual negotiation to a 3-5% decrease with scope security in place and the pilot group just being thankful its not 17% and with growth and a new ASA with Northwest. I vote strike until not a penny is given as there is not one ounce of evidence showing that WE (labor) are the reason for MAIR Holdings woes.

Oh well. I think we should just all turn in our jerseys like the Notre Dame football team did for Rudy since coach Devine (sorry, Coach Spanjers) wont let underdog Rudy (sorry, underdog pilots) play in the final game. No team, no game, right?

 

[E62Pilot]

Who remember Twisted Sister?

we've got the right to choose and
there ain't no way we'll lose it
this is our life, this is our song
we'll fight the powers that be just
don't pick our destiny 'cause
you don't know us, you don't belong

oh we're not gonna take it
no, we ain't gonna take it
oh we're not gonna take it anymore

They've got another song titled "Burn in Hell" which may apply as well

 

[mesaba2425]

BTW, mesaba2425, are one of your tourette syndrome ticks to type meaningless annoyances on aviation bulletin boards? If so, you need treatment, of not, you need a life!

I'm just stating the obvious. You can choose to ignore it if you'd like.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

HEY MESABA PILOTS!!!

Read these posts from December of 2005.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST 10 MONTHS...

Your management is still dealing you the SAME proposal.

Your Union (which originally told you they WILL NOT give you a sub-par contract), has now recently, and openly, OFFERED at 15% cut to the company.

THEY ARE GIVING 15% (your money) TO YOUR MANAGEMENT!

The company is taking you for a ride, and now the union is driving the sled.

NWA CRJ's have been purchased. They will offer them to MESABA. It is up to YOU to decide if YOU want to be the lowest bidder.

Work and be the lowest bidder pilot-or shut the company down and have dignity.

DO NOT GIVE UP THE FIGHT! Others have...YOU should not!

 

[COOPERVANE]

How have we gotten to the point where Management pukes can try and rob employees blind and get away with it with no consequences?

How?.....

Good luck guys!!

 

[KaptainKarl]

HEY MESABA PILOTS!!!

Read these posts from December of 2005.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST 10 MONTHS...

Your management is still dealing you the SAME proposal.

Your Union (which originally told you they WILL NOT give you a sub-par contract), has now recently, and openly, OFFERED at 15% cut to the company.

THEY ARE GIVING 15% (your money) TO YOUR MANAGEMENT!

The company is taking you for a ride, and now the union is driving the sled.

NWA CRJ's have been purchased. They will offer them to MESABA. It is up to YOU to decide if YOU want to be the lowest bidder.

Work and be the lowest bidder pilot-or shut the company down and have dignity.

DO NOT GIVE UP THE FIGHT! Others have...YOU should not!

EXACTLY.
I thought those numbers sounded familiar.

 

[Monster Buck]

If........When the company imposes our 19.4 because any paycut will be voted down......and you are overwhelmingly sick and can't concentrate...on your flying.....remember it is your medical and your responsibilty to fly healthy...if you are not healthy that day they are imposed you better not violate the regs. It will come to that. We will have to stand because our union will not take the hit for us. Watch and see.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

HEY MESABA PILOTS!!!

Read these posts from December of 2005.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST 10 MONTHS...

Your management is still dealing you the SAME proposal.

Your Union (which originally told you they WILL NOT give you a sub-par contract), has now recently, and openly, OFFERED at 15% cut to the company.

THEY ARE GIVING 15% (your money) TO YOUR MANAGEMENT!

The company is taking you for a ride, and now the union is driving the sled.

NWA CRJ's have been purchased. They will offer them to MESABA. It is up to YOU to decide if YOU want to be the lowest bidder.

Work and be the lowest bidder pilot-or shut the company down and have dignity.

DO NOT GIVE UP THE FIGHT! Others have...YOU should not!

CHEAP BUMP...of an old thread.

BUT!! Look back at the posts from the past. Remember the emotions, the rationale, the desire.

Never forget those feelings.

Do not give them a dime!

There is life on the other side of the Mesaba wall.

 

[FLIIFAST]

The judge ruled

The cards are delt...NWA plans on a shell game with the two of you and NEWCO. Call the bluff, keep your money and get the new jets. They have alot to loose. I feel your pain.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

Hey guys, am I correct with these pay rates, is this what it would be??
First year FO - 20.08
3rd Year Captain for the CRJ - 51.33
3rd year 70 seat captain - 51.03
2nd year fo - 24.00
If this is true, this is well lower than anyone, I am shocked when i see these numbers.

Good luck guys

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Hey guys, am I correct with these pay rates, is this what it would be??
First year FO - 20.08
3rd Year Captain for the CRJ - 51.33
3rd year 70 seat captain - 51.03
2nd year fo - 24.00
If this is true, this is well lower than anyone, I am shocked when i see these numbers.

Good luck guys

Those pay rates + have to pay 30% of their benefits, i.e. medical and dental. That's what they are saying on top of those pay rates. I guess all told first year pay will be between $11,000 and $13,000.

 

[XJohXJ]

It will not be in any way livable. Say what you will about SkyWest or Chataqua, but at least their 2nd year FO pay rates are livable, and there are quick upgrades into jobs where at least you are middle class. At Mesaba's proposed rates: 1st Year FO = Poverty. 2nd year FO = Poverty. 3rd year FO = Poverty, and so on. Maybe 5th or 6th year pay starts tickling the very bottom level of livability.

Heath care = virtually none (what good is an HSA if you can't afford to put so much as a thin nickle into it).

Upgrade time = never.