Mesa

[N4niner206]

Why do you think Mesa is behind on the E 175 program?
Mesa already operates 200's.

Mesa will add 10 - additional CRJ 900's from May thru December of this year.

You say 10. Only 4 have been announced, but rumors of 10. Where are the others rumored to be going? What do you know about it?

 

[amcnd]

Why do you think Mesa is behind on the E 175 program?
Mesa already operates 200's.

Mesa will add 10 - additional CRJ 900's from May thru December of this year.

Because they shifted there first 2 dileverys...

 

[N4niner206]

Because they shifted there first 2 dileverys...

Just curious, where did you read this? I had not heard this.

 

[rene]

I think Mesa will already have a heck of a time staffing the 30 E175's as well as the 4 addtional CRJ 900's and any attrition to come about with new pilots. Mesa already had a hard time just finding them for the 9 CRJ 900's we finally got staffed 6 months after the last one came online. All the regionals are already having a hard time finding pilots with 1500 hours. So I think that Airways dropping Skywest and giving more flying to Mesa is next to impossible for Mesa to handle at this point in the game.

and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.....

 

[20sx]

Rene! You're back! Yay!!!
You always have good solid info, which is lacking from most of the people posting.

 

[Bako Cap]

FWIW, the 175's are United's aircraft. Mesa is just crewing the planes. If there are multiple delivery shifts due to Mesa's 175 program, it's United's decision.

 

[rene]

You say 10. Only 4 have been announced, but rumors of 10. Where are the others rumored to be going? What do you know about it?

There will be a total of 10 (including the four recently announced) They will be in addition to the 30 E175's.

 

[rene]

FWIW, the 175's are United's aircraft. Mesa is just crewing the planes. If there are multiple delivery shifts due to Mesa's 175 program, it's United's decision.

Mesa has a 10 year contract for these planes and an option for 30 more. They will be on Mesa's certificate and will be leased from UAL. Virtually every aircraft in the industry is leased from somebody. The contract can only be terminated for cause.

 

[rene]

Because they shifted there first 2 dileverys...

Just left a recurrent GS meeting with Senior Execs. Mesa is ahead of schedule on the 175 program. 1st aircraft to be delivered in April. Mesa has not shifted any dates.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Rene- what it projected total pilot size after all 40 planes on line ?

 

[Kaman]

Why would anyone go to Mesa for $22.00/hr? RAH will be paying 30.00 and the lowest second year pay is $41.00.

 

[N4niner206]

Why would anyone go to Mesa for $22.00/hr? RAH will be paying 30.00 and the lowest second year pay is $41.00.

Quite possible that this will be a problem for Mesa. However I believe a lot about the RAH TA is still yet to be seen, and it hasn't been passed by the pilot group yet. Also keep in mind that MAG is in negotiations right now as well.

Hopefully competition for pilots at the regional level will finally give a reason for these FFD carriers to raise pay rates.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Why would anyone go to Mesa for $22.00/hr? RAH will be paying 30.00 and the lowest second year pay is $41.00.

Upgrade, then leave. That's why.

 

[Kaman]

Upgrade, then leave. That's why.

And, the vicious cycle continues...Those mainline jobs are finite, and far more applicants eligible for hire than seats to fill...Pilot shortage at legacies is a myth.

 

[Kaman]

Quite possible that this will be a problem for Mesa. However I believe a lot about the RAH TA is still yet to be seen, and it hasn't been passed by the pilot group yet. Also keep in mind that MAG is in negotiations right now as well.

Hopefully competition for pilots at the regional level will finally give a reason for these FFD carriers to raise pay rates.

I think I did read that they have cancellation pay in the new TA, if you couple that with some decent work rules, it might be a good deal. However, having travelled this road before I think I would be cautiously optimistic.
Mesa will be the place where the real line in the sand needs to be drawn...

 

[Turbine Pilot]

and you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.....

OMGosh Rene you are on cloud 9 at Mesa. How much kool aid did you drink? Mesa has always, I repeat, always had a staffing problem with growth. They will have a heck of a time staffing with all this new growth. Wake up buddy. Look around. Mesa finally got these 9 900's staffed late last year and they got the last one online back in July 2013. JRA's were crazy in July/August. Were you on Leave from Mesa? The other regionals already have better pay then Mesa, and the E175 operation will be a mess with newly upgraded FO's flying with brand new FO's and FA's dealing with a brand new ground crews, etc., it has been like this over and over and over at Mesa. We get a contract, fly it, then lose it because of poor staffing/quality. These new FO's we are hiring can barely fly. So good luck with all your pro-mesa is great stuff...

 

[Raoul Duke]

Why would anyone go to Mesa for $22.00/hr? RAH will be paying 30.00 and the lowest second year pay is $41.00.

If you are short sighted enough to base your decision on where you want to be on the first and second year FO pay, you have alot to learn. You might as well pick the company that has the best uniforms. There is only one relevant consideration at a regional carrier = how quickly will you upgrade. Nothing else matters. It is what will control your attractiveness to your next job. Flame on all you like but I am 100% right on this.

 

[Kaman]

That wasn't "flame bait" it was rhetorical question. I've already upgraded, downgraded, been through a Ch. 11. Thank you for you sage wisdom...AND, I venture the upgrade time at RAH will be just as fast at Mesa...

 

[General Lee]

And, the vicious cycle continues...Those mainline jobs are finite, and far more applicants eligible for hire than seats to fill...Pilot shortage at legacies is a myth.

Uhhhhh 15,000 retirements scheduled within the next decade for the big 3 legacies alone. Then throw in all of the other airlines like the LCCs. Nope, not a myth, a mathematical certainty.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Kaman]

I wouldn't disagree with those numbers, but I don't think there will be a surplus of pilots for those seats.