Mesa to furlough approximately 150

[fastback]

The average doesn't matter. What matters is how things look after 8 years of his policies. In the last month of Clinton's administration, unemployment was at 3.9%. It dropped steadily and consistently during his administration, thanks to his economic policies that led to surpluses and consumer confidence. After 8 years of Bush, it's now at 6.1%. The numbers speak for themselves.



This is only true if you count retired families. If you look at working families, the real measure of economic policy, it's down by over $1,000.

The Clinton economy, buoyed by the tech bubble, finally showed the strain of higher taxes and led us into a slowdown around the time of 911. It took aggressive tax cuts to get out of this rut. Bush deserves credit for that. Our economy would still be strong were it not for the rise in oil and this aberration in our credit system. Neither can be reasonably blamed on Bush. While GW has made plenty of mistakes, overall, his fiscal policy promotes GDP growth and job creation. And while Bush's irresponsible spending increases have increased our deficits, Obama's health care proposal will send our debt into the stratosphere.

 

[flyboyike]

Funny, I'm already experiencing the Jimmy Carter years.

Unemployment has skyrocketed to over 6%. It was 4% under Clinton.

How about under Carter?

 

[XPOO]

Just don't forget who has control over the House and Senate. They make the laws, the President doesn't.

Love the new avatar...reminds me of the Tweety Bird fixes:

ITAWT ITAWA PUDEE TTATT IDEED

 

[XPOO]

The Clinton economy, buoyed by the tech bubble, finally showed the strain of higher taxes and led us into a slowdown around the time of 911. It took aggressive tax cuts to get out of this rut. Bush deserves credit for that. Our economy would still be strong were it not for the rise in oil and this aberration in our credit system. Neither can be reasonably blamed on Bush. While GW has made plenty of mistakes, overall, his fiscal policy promotes GDP growth and job creation. And while Bush's irresponsible spending increases have increased our deficits, Obama's health care proposal will send our debt into the stratosphere.

He also doesn't know how to hold a rifle, author legislation, or govern. But heckfire, why should those be any qualifications to run a country?

 

[zawillif]

If you watched the convention speeches you may have heard McCain say: "I will fight the unions." His economic policies are pro-business, pro-management, and anti-union, just like Bush's. You can throw all the numbers at me you want. The bottom line is: As a working class, dues paying member of society, how has my economic situation changed over the past 8 years? For me and a lot of people it's been worse and not better.

I think we as a whole (airline unions) have been bent over enough in the past 8 years. Don't you?

 

[SilverandSore]

The average doesn't matter. What matters is how things look after 8 years of his policies. In the last month of Clinton's administration, unemployment was at 3.9%.

Actually, if you want to look at it that way, they started to increase dramatically in the final months. In the months after him leaving office they climbed back into the 4s and 5s. Or does the effect stop the day they leave office?

 

[10nCLR]

Just a few things I remember from the past 4 Presidents.
Carter-Iran hostage ordeal, long gas lines, Billy Beer
Reagan-tax cuts, large military spending, Cold War, Iran-Contra affair, pushing forward to break up the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall, thus finally coming down in the beginning Bush's term of his presidency. "Just Say No" campaign.
Bush senior-Bush meets with Gorbachev, Manual Noriega finally ousted and convicted, Read my Lips: No new taxes campaign slogan. Large US debt leftover from Reagan's defense spending, Republicans wanted to cut Government spending but Democratic controlled Congress voted to raise taxes. Ratings for Bush dropped, spearheaded NAFTA despite democrats scrutinizing it and then Clinton later signing it. Unfinished Iraq war-Desert Storm
Clinton- blow job from Monica and probably other interns, a bomb explosion in basement garage of World Trade Center, attack on the the USS Cole, continued build up of the Taliban and the al-Qaeda terrorist network including Osama bin Laden who slipped into Afghanistan after an offer was made by Sudan to hand him over, NAFTA; signed by Clinton. Some good but mostly bad depends on how you look at it. Biggest problem with NAFTA is that US workers are losing jobs. Republicans held the House of Rep 1st time in 40 yrs, Whiterwater controversy, Milosevic, the Battle of Mogadishu; helicopters shot down and some soldiers' bodies were dragged through the streets and televised. Clinton's response was to withdraw from Somalia and use less soldiers for conflicts. Huh? Um the US backed away from being attacked and humiliated. Bush would have set them straight. Today Somalia is a lawless country and a hot bed for terrorist groups and even maritime piracy.
Bush- another Democratic Congress, Iraq war, one terrorist attack and numerous other stuff that I agree or disagree on.
Anyway-
Paul Newman was a class act. RIP

 

[vectorvictor]

Click here: YouTube - Palin / Couric: The Israel Question

Click here: YouTube - Palin On Foreign Policy


Bye Bye--General Lee

Dude? WTF? How did she get elected in Alaska?

"Like they are right there...(russia)"

 

[mrebuck]

Just curious, why do people seem to always ask this? Someone said that it goes back to a DOH of Jan 08 but 150 furloughs at another airline may mean a DOH of Jan 98. So why does it matter "how far" the furloughs go? Why isn't the total number of furloughs enough informations? Just curious.

People ask because they probably used to work there and want to know if they would be affected if they still did. Also, they might know people there but don't know their seniority number; but they do know when they were hired.

Those would be the reasons I would ask, anyway.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

1200-hr Seneca guy talking about lowering the bar: that's a lot of context to take in from the outside.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

10nCLR:
You forgot this:
Reagan:

the Battle of Beruit; Marine Barracks bombed, and lots of US Marines died, all televised. Reagan's response was to withdraw from Beruit and use less soldiers for conflicts. Huh? Um the US backed away from being attacked and humiliated. Bush would have set them straight. Today Lebenon is a lawless country and a hot bed for terrorist groups.

fastback:

Our economy would still be strong were it not for the rise in oil and this aberration in our credit system. Neither can be reasonably blamed on Bush.

Yes they CAN!!!

The reason for the rise in oil prices are two-fold: First, there is the Iraq War, which will now cost at least $3 TRILLION dollars. The Iraq War, along with Bush's dramatic expansion of our Federal Government has led to record deficits, which has lowered the value of the dollar-and oil is priced in dollars.
Secondly, Bush, with a Republican Congress for most of the last 7 years, has done absolutely NOTHING to get our economy onto renewable fuels, which would enable us to stop buying foreign oil.
The Economic Collapse, has come largely from a failure of our markets to regulate themselves. Bush and company (along with some help from the Democrats), has cut back the oversight, or never instituted the oversight, to prevent various individuals and organizations from making $ decisions that have been very, very bad in the long term. May persons want a short-term profit, and have ignored anything else, and were allowed to by the Feds.
Now Bush has been forced to Socialize a large part of our economy.

cliff
GRB

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Sorry ATP and PCL but your facts are way off. Try reading something before you spew off CNN's lead-in here. I'm no fan of W and his Constitutional shredding. However, facts are facts and W can't be blamed for the current mess.

Read this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75717

 

[Soverytired]

That's President Obama. Get used to saying it.

Nah. I watched the debate last night. Obama likes to call folks by their first names, apparently. When he can remember them, anyway. Otherwise, he just makes one up and muddles along. (To be fair, it is hard to remember the name of the ONLY OTHER GUY on the stage with you. You know . . the one you served a whole 147 days in the Senate with?).

He's not big on titles, apparently. So that's cool . . very gen X and gen Y of him.

I'll follow his example and refer to him by whatever name springs to mind (sans title) while giving him the "secret" finger while scratching my head. If he can do it, so can I, eh?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I don't watch CNN at all. I actually get the majority of my TV news from Fox News.
Cliff
GRB

 

[Soverytired]

Tough break, Mesa folks. It's unfortunate that those of you being furloughed are probably the ones with the least time who will have the hardest time finding new jobs due to low total flight experience.

Nevertheless, take heart from the fact that every pilot who has ever left Mesa has never to my knowledge regretted it. Despite what you read here, your next employer won't care about Mesa . . . they WILL care about the valuable Part 121 90 seat CRJ jet experience you have under your belt.

For what it's worth, airlinepilotcentral.com has a great article on "what to do if you're furloughed", and I'd highly recommend it. Don't screw around . . get your stuff out, don't be picky, and if you can fly internationally, go out there and make more money than most of the FO's in their first 3-4 years at the legacy carriers.

A great motto from the British SAS:

"Who dares, wins".

Get that resume updated and sent out. You might be surprised who bites! There's still plenty of great flying jobs out there, but you're going to have to do some serious legwork to get 'em.