Mesa to file bankruptcy

[WSurf]

OH SNAP! I just got rick rolled at 9 am. My day is already complete.

If you like Rick, lets give the spanish version with Rico!!!! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx64_N4AA04

 

[knewhigher]

If you like Rick, lets give the spanish version with Rico!!!! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx64_N4AA04

This is now officially the greatest day of my life.

 

[time builder]

How immature and selfish it is to wish for Mesa to liquidate. Do any of you know how many people, not just pilots, will be out of jobs that put food on the table?

While I wish the best for the pilots and other employees at Mesa, this industry really needs to rid it's self of Mesa.

Seriously, it wasn't too long ago that Mesa was on the cover of a Magazine as the "airline of the year." And why? Not because their employees were happy, but because their investors were happy, the company was making money at the expense of it's employees, and it seemed like a "successfull business model."

Karma is finally catching up with JO, and now is the time for the final blow, yes, I mean liquidation. Unfortunately, if it doesn't happen soon, you never know... there's a possibility that JO might use another one of his nine lives.

Work with me here. There's a slowdown of hiring at most airlines, a couple thousand highly qualified pilots newly unemployed, and an influx of students who have sold themselves on the idea that they don't have to instruct, or do any other kind of time building job because they can always "just go to Mesa" if all else fails.

If JO can hold off chapter 7 long enough, he might be able to reorganize and rebuild, and go back to saying that his business model is successful, they just "had a bad year." And Mesa can continue to drag industry standards down.

Again, while I wish the best for Mesa employees.... the company and everything it stands for must not be upheld as a role model for successful business, and complete failure seems to be the only true way to get the point across.

 

[Soverytired]

Of course Mesa was considered a success by the investors.

Newsflash: Airlines are a business. Most of them are OWNED by shareholders. Like all owners, their purpose is to make MONEY. That is the ONLY purpose, the ONLY point, the ONLY definition of a successful business. You'd know that if you ever owned one.

I'm sorry that you think that the purpose of any public corporation is to provide jobs and make employees happy. Some do, and that's all well and good, but it's not their primary function.

Answer: You don't like it? Pick where you work. It's a free country.

Oh . . . Anyone who thinks that Mesa going out of business is going to make one whit of difference to "the industry" or other pilots is just kidding themselves.

90% of the griping about Mesa is by Aloha/Independence guys with revenge fantasies sprinkled with a smattering of regional lift guys who lost some of "their" flying. The guys who admit it might be petty . . . but at least they're hones.

Guys who try to put some "greater meaning" on their avowed wish to see 5000 people out on the street during an economic downturn make me sick.

 

[go!ng for broke]

And what was the purpose of Mesa/Go! selling tickets for a dollar?? Did they make money? It's just not that simple. It appears you are.. You must be sick all the time.

Oh ya I forgot. JO was going to bring local familys together. Make more people fly with low fares and not make money. Lets talk SIMPLE

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Of course Mesa was considered a success by the investors.

Newsflash: Airlines are a business. Most of them are OWNED by shareholders. Like all owners, their purpose is to make MONEY. That is the ONLY purpose, the ONLY point, the ONLY definition of a successful business. You'd know that if you ever owned one.

I'm sorry that you think that the purpose of any public corporation is to provide jobs and make employees happy. Some do, and that's all well and good, but it's not their primary function.

Answer: You don't like it? Pick where you work. It's a free country.

Oh . . . Anyone who thinks that Mesa going out of business is going to make one whit of difference to "the industry" or other pilots is just kidding themselves.

90% of the griping about Mesa is by Aloha/Independence guys with revenge fantasies sprinkled with a smattering of regional lift guys who lost some of "their" flying. The guys who admit it might be petty . . . but at least they're hones.

Guys who try to put some "greater meaning" on their avowed wish to see 5000 people out on the street during an economic downturn make me sick.

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Nobody wants to see employees hurt. Except JO . He sure didn't mind using confidential information to ruin how many lives in Hawaii?

I don't , however, have any sympathy for folks who have hired on at mesa with less than a 1000 hrs. They were just looking to bypass their peers with an easier road. J O needs to go so that this industry can at least be a career.

JA makes money and SKW is a decent place to work.

 

[WSurf]

Well with everything thats going on now, you might be stuck at a regional for a couple of more years then you thought.

So, go to a Regional that has a okay QOL and a good working contract. Believe me it is well worth it.

I have been on both sides of the fence, and I can say even though I fly a Dash 8 for PDT, its nice to have a good working contract.

And yes, its hard to have smpathy for a company that has undercut so many airlines in the past.

 

[exdashdriver]

WSurf...how long have you been at PDT? I was there for two years, had a medical issue that forced me out of the industry. The Dash is one of the greatest aircraft out there...

 

[WSurf]

WSurf...how long have you been at PDT? I was there for two years, had a medical issue that forced me out of the industry. The Dash is one of the greatest aircraft out there...

Too Long Man!! LOL 8 Years!

Still having fun, and flying with some great people. Sorry to hear you had some medical issues. I hope if you miss flying you'll be back sometime in the future.

 

[TheInsider]

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Nobody wants to see employees hurt. Except JO . He sure didn't mind using confidential information to ruin how many lives in Hawaii?

I don't , however, have any sympathy for folks who have hired on at mesa with less than a 1000 hrs. They were just looking to bypass their peers with an easier road. J O needs to go so that this industry can at least be a career.

JA makes money and SKW is a decent place to work.

Two wrongs doesn't make it right. People in HI lost their jobs and by Mesa going under even more jobs will be lost. Btw, I seriously doubt Mesa will liquidate. Pilots should fly and leave the business side to those hired for those jobs. If you want to have a greater say, quit flying full-time and go into management at your airline.

 

[Capt10Matt]

Originally Posted by Tar Heel Hmmm. Guess I should remember that the next time you request a jumpseat you d-bag. How high and mighty you are. At the end of the day I have a job and I'm trying to do it. And what do I get? Some jerk who thinks they know it all and have the answer to everything telling me how much we suck. We know that and dont need your arrogance remind us of it. If you knew any of us in the pilot core I highly doubt you would post such a thing. I'm not JO. I dont drink MESA-ade, I am not looking for a quick upgrade and I don't make the rules. Pull your head out of your @$$ and realize that in the end, whether you like it or not, we are all in this together. So get off the bullypulpit and and remember that you are no better than anyone else just because you work for ABC airlines.

What you don't seem to understand is that when you go as low as Mesa has, it's inevitable in this industry that management will always choose cost over integrity. Sad but true.

So the question is...what company and what group of workers are willing to dig the grave deeper and allow it to get $hittier and $hittier. If someone told you the industry standard for your job in 10 years would stabilize and never exceed $50,000.00 and the maximum days off slimmed down to 8 days off a month, oh yeah, your overnights all happen to be in local Travelodge's...would you do it?

In the end we all (if not yet, at some point) have families, and every one of us on here has to put food on the table and have some kind of quality of life. I sure as hell hope it never gets that bad. WAKE UP, THIS ISN'T A JOB...IT'S A CAREER!! Don't settle for less than you're worth...

 

[Caspian27]

I don't , however, have any sympathy for folks who have hired on at mesa with less than a 1000 hrs. They were just looking to bypass their peers with an easier road. J O needs to go so that this industry can at least be a career.

JA makes money and SKW is a decent place to work.

Every regional was hiring with less than 1000 hours last year. Skywest is the only one I know of that at least stayed relatively firm on their hiring minimums. So are you equally unsympathetic for the less than 1000 hours people at Eagle, Lakes, XJet, ASA, etc?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Who thinks Mesa's tails will be graced with rap artist "50 cent" by weeks end to commemorate their new stock value?

Done and done...

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6320/50centsgj9.jpg

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Every regional was hiring with less than 1000 hours last year. Skywest is the only one I know of that at least stayed relatively firm on their hiring minimums. So are you equally unsympathetic for the less than 1000 hours people at Eagle, Lakes, XJet, ASA, etc?

OK, I should have been a little more specific. I meant the " screw the system, I'm not gonna take the CFI or any other experience gaining road. "I'm too good for that!"

I am glad skywest stuck to their guns. I've never had to fly with a guy who was that green.

 

[JustaNumber]

Newsflash: Airlines are a business. Most of them are OWNED by shareholders. Like all owners, their purpose is to make MONEY. That is the ONLY purpose, the ONLY point, the ONLY definition of a successful business. You'd know that if you ever owned one.

I'm sorry that you think that the purpose of any public corporation is to provide jobs and make employees happy. Some do, and that's all well and good, but it's not their primary function.

Answer: You don't like it? Pick where you work. It's a free country.

Oh . . . Anyone who thinks that Mesa going out of business is going to make one whit of difference to "the industry" or other pilots is just kidding themselves.

Yes, the primary purpose of a business is to make money. But it has been shown time and time again that the most successful businesses, the ones that have the best chances of survival, are the ones that pay attention to the well-being of the customers, the employees, AND the shareholders. When companies consistently shortchange their customers and their employees, they deserve to and they do eventually cease to exist. That's why intelligent people don't work for shady companies.

To believe that Mesa's disappearance will have no effect on the rest of the industry is naive at best, but more likely rationalization by someone with a guilty conscience. OF COURSE the industry average is the greatest determinant in all contract negotiations, and removing the lowest common denominator will have a significant impact!!