Mesa recalling 80 pilots starting in March

[N4niner206]

SkyWest does not bid on flying at a loss.

Really, $100,000 per airframe per month? That would be basically flying for free. That is nothing more than your personal fantasy to deal with the reality that you fly for the ********************tiest airline in the country run by a certified crook. You are now a private company because your exit from bankruptcy wouldn't pass the smell test of the SEC. You continue to exist because Airways didn't want a service disruption that would have resulted from your liquidation.

SkyWest started flying for Airways as a hedge against your long history of unbelievable crappyness. So you are performing well now, great. Stumble and you will be gone in a heartbeat. Nine more planes? Hope you can staff them! Anything close to the clown show of five years ago and your history.

Happy trails!

And referencing my previous post above, THIS is what we need to strive to be better than.

 

[JetMonkey]

Where will these additional 9 aircraft be based?

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Skywest did indeed take this flying at a loss. I don't know where you are getting your skywest facts from, but the fact that Mesa put in the cheapest bid we could to keep the 7 crj's and 6 dash 8's, with a low cost contract, and JO came asking us pilots for a 5 percent paycut across the board, aka, the entire company, (which we rejected) just to lower the bid to compete with Skywest's ultra low bid of 100,000 k a month is truth enough, because we bid low, and lost it to skywest. So if you think skywest does not bid for a loss, prove it somehow. I am tired of skywest pilots not providing facts and just touting how much better they are when they haven't done crap to earn it. The comair pilots that went on strike, now they earned the right to talk crap. So skywest dudes, stop being so cocky. I am tired of listening to your lame excuses you give.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Where will these additional 9 aircraft be based?

Don't know yet.

 

[AntiJedi]

JO came asking us pilots for a 5 percent paycut across the board, aka, the entire company, (which we rejected) just to lower the bid to compete with Skywest's ultra low bid of 100,000 k a month is truth enough, because we bid low, and lost it to skywest. So if you think skywest does not bid for a loss, prove it somehow.

Since bids, lease, and compensation rates are not publically known, I'd like to know how you know that:

a) they bid 100K/mo.
b) they are the lowest bidder.
c) they are flying at a loss.

I always take things here with a large salt lick, but I believe Mr. Rivoli does have a point.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Rumor is that out of all of the 224 furloughs, only 50 are going to come back. They need 80. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Finding 80 pilots. Everyone is acting like we are trying to find a cure for HIV.

They are plenty of Comair, PNCL pilots out of work. I will be more than happy to have any Comair guy or gal, come pull gear for me

 

[XPOO]

Really, exactly how much money is OO "loosing"??



When OO underbid mesa to get airways flying in phx at a almost 100,000 per month per airframe you do the math..

And yet, OO still made an $11.9M profit in Q4. The flying for US Airways Express is not being done at a loss. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[XPOO]

Skywest did indeed take this flying at a loss. I don't know where you are getting your skywest facts from, but the fact that Mesa put in the cheapest bid we could to keep the 7 crj's and 6 dash 8's, with a low cost contract, and JO came asking us pilots for a 5 percent paycut across the board, aka, the entire company, (which we rejected) just to lower the bid to compete with Skywest's ultra low bid of 100,000 k a month is truth enough, because we bid low, and lost it to skywest. So if you think skywest does not bid for a loss, prove it somehow. I am tired of skywest pilots not providing facts and just touting how much better they are when they haven't done crap to earn it. The comair pilots that went on strike, now they earned the right to talk crap. So skywest dudes, stop being so cocky. I am tired of listening to your lame excuses you give.

SkyWest has a much better balance sheet than Mesa, so maybe all the savings have to do with getting better lease terms. Or maybe its economy of scale. No one flies more CRJ200s than OO. Add in all the MX bases in southwest that OO has. Or maybe US Airways wanted SkyWest to do the flying and actually accepted a higher bid. Whatever the case may be, SkyWest does not and will not big anything at a loss. Its always better business sense to not fly at all than to fly at a loss, and I think we can all agree that SkyWest, Inc. has the best management team in the regional industry.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Why do people assume the contract always goes to the lowest bidder? You get what you pay for. Even airlines occasionally understand that.

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Why do people assume the contract always goes to the lowest bidder? You get what you pay for. Even airlines occasionally understand that.

OO's bid for airways flying was so low that mesa refused to bid on the flying...

 

[Turbine Pilot]

OO's bid for airways flying was so low that mesa refused to bid on the flying...

Exactly....

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Finding 80 pilots. Everyone is acting like we are trying to find a cure for HIV.

They are plenty of Comair, PNCL pilots out of work. I will be more than happy to have any Comair guy or gal, come pull gear for me

I would fly with any of them also, if they apply. As of right now, no one has applied that meets the 1500 hour mins. We only have less then 50 who want to come back from recall. That is why it is doom for Mesa for the staffing of these addtional 9 crj's, I am not talking about staffing at other regionals.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Since bids, lease, and compensation rates are not publically known, I'd like to know how you know that:

a) they bid 100K/mo.
b) they are the lowest bidder.
c) they are flying at a loss.

I always take things here with a large salt lick, but I believe Mr. Rivoli does have a point.

Hard to prove it as fact except Mesa of all regionals could not get it with our current contract, JO wanted a 5 percent paycut from the whole pilot group just to get the bid low enough, and the fact, our management told us skywest was bidding 100k per plane is where that came from. Hard not to believe when we needed all that just to get our bid low enough to compete with skywest. So I don't see how skywest didn't get it at a loss. For those of you claiming skywest does not bid at flying at a loss, then prove that!!!

 

[asayankee]

So you guys are saying that in a blind RFP bidding process, Mesa somehow knew how much Skywest bid ahead of time and then decided not to bid? Does that sound remotely feasible to you? I call BS.

 

[Z_Pilot]

There was some chart posted a few years ago comparing Mesa's labor+management costs vs. SkyWest's. If I recall correctly, the overall cost was the same, but the difference was that Mesa's management took a much larger percentage of the pie, and SkyWest's front line labor took a bigger share on their side.

 

[Nevets]

So you guys are saying that in a blind RFP bidding process, Mesa somehow knew how much Skywest bid ahead of time and then decided not to bid? Does that sound remotely feasible to you? I call BS.

Yes it does happen. This is exactly how mainline management whipsaws the regionals submitting RFPs. They play the two lowest off each other. Happens everywhere in business.

 

[gazoo34]

"As of right now, no one has applied that meets the 1500 hour mins."

Ok all you Chief Pilots out there you need to update your "electronic screens" to include helicopter time. Every Navy pilot goes through fixed training up to commercial mins and then some of us get to go back and instruct in fixed wing. I have filled out 10 online apps and they all strip my helo time even though I have my AMEL ATP...I have over 2400 hours but airlines like Mesa, Pinnacle, Skywest etc never see my total time and pass me over...someone needs to tell them a guy flying a helo in the wx, with three engines, four hydraulic systems, retract gear and flying the approach @115 kias to a postage stamp moving at night in the persian gulf is a little more challenging than Cessna 152 VFR to an 8000' runway...I'm not discounting the cessna time but stop discounting my heavy helo time...

 

[big shacks]

^
That does seem ridiculous. But being passed over by Mesa and Pinnacle might actually be a good thing. I'm stuck at one those Turds currently.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

OO's bid for airways flying was so low that mesa refused to bid on the flying...

Really... Source?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hard to prove it as fact except Mesa of all regionals could not get it with our current contract, JO wanted a 5 percent paycut from the whole pilot group just to get the bid low enough, and the fact, our management told us skywest was bidding 100k per plane is where that came from. Hard not to believe when we needed all that just to get our bid low enough to compete with skywest. So I don't see how skywest didn't get it at a loss. For those of you claiming skywest does not bid at flying at a loss, then prove that!!!

Why didn't you say so? We all know that JO is ALWAYS completely truthful and honest, he'd never ever lie!:laugh: