Mesa Pay

[DHPFLYN]

Good try. I don't work for Mesa, never have, never would...nor any regional for that matter. I did my 3-1/2 years at one, got out, went back to my previous career, and never looked back. I got sick of a lot of the BS you're sick of during my tenure in aviation, and decided it wasn't worth it anymore. By far the best decision I've made thus far in my life.

Fortunately, we live in America, and not some Communist regime. We are afforded choices. If we make a poor choice, or are unhappy with the choices we made, we can choose to do something to better ourselves, and our lives. If you're unhappy with putting up with all the crap in the aviation industry, perhaps look into doing something else? Trust me, it may not be easy at first, but you may end up looking back (like me) and seeing that it was the best thing that could have happened to you.

Just a thought.

I am glad you got in and go out and never looked back. Then why in the hell are you even in this forum?? Just do what you say never look back and just leave

 

[taloft]

Does anyone out there especially Mesa guys relize comair FO's are taking a 20 percent paycut, and will still be paid $4/hr more per hour

Nope, didn't realize it. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you accepted the paycut. I thought Comair pilots were the ones who fought for good contracts. Guess I was wrong?

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Not every company is alike...

Okay, how about Horizon's contract and ExpressJets contract. They blow Mesa's away and both were signed in 2004.

Horizon is wholly owned by Alaska Air Group. Their management has demonstrated that they like to have control over their "product". Not much chance of those guys losing their flying anytime soon. Hopefully, for them, their flying is fully protected by scope. Those kinds of conditions add up to bargaining leverage...wouldn't you agree?

I am going to have to plead ignorance when it comes to ExpressJet. I know they were wholly owned at one time, however I cannot (not a high priority in my life) remember if they were wholly owned by Continental when they negotiated their contract. BTW, I am sure you realize that Continental is now looking to outsource at least a portion of ExpressJet's flying.

IMHO it boils down to differences in management. Can you see either Horizon's or ExpressJet's management operating the same way that JO does? Can you see Horizon's management starting a new certificate, even for a legitimate reason, and then saying that this new airline is going to use a new, non-union pilot group with a separate seniority list? And, BTW, they will be getting most all new a/c deliveries from now on. Can you see ExpressJet's management operate on a regular basis with the attitude of "if you don't like it then grieve it"?

By the way, you or RCA never commented directly about the differences in conditions, which I pointed out, between ComAir and Mesa. Those are some big differences. A lot of guys like to believe that every company is the same, but that's usually not how it is.

Hey, I am not whining about my company or my circumstances. I understand the difficulties of working here at Mesa. My personal situation is that I have good seniority, and it definitely helps in dealing with the pay and QOL issues. For new guys, particularly guys on reserve, it can be hell. Hopefully, we will be able to improve our pay and working conditions with our next contract.

The generalizations that some of you guys make are a bit rediculous, not to mention childish. Thanks for all of your enlightening comments.

Spiff

 

[Flight Junkie]

i cant imagine you would have any other reason to defend a POS contract like this

RCA, I didn't defend the contract, I defended the pilots there. Show me where in my post I defended the contract and not the pilots.

Flight Junkie thanks for the english lesson.....Now shut your friggen pie hole!

OK, I'll give you a shot at shutting it. Send an email to [email protected] and let me know where you want to meet.

....it's like a rash that won't go away

I'm sure you know all about rashes. This thread is like your love life...you've put your johnson in something where it doesn't belong.

 

[Cloudroller]

RCA is a Looser

 

[sflax]

As for the POS contract, it was either sign it or lose our jobs to Freedom, so some MAPD moron can upgrade in like a week. Then when freedom was done taking all of the mesa jobs it would have taken everyone elses. So thank the mesa guys for keeping freedom from taking everyones jobs.

 

[RCA]

Did the pilots not sighn the contract?
How are things over at MESA Cloudroller?

 

[Cloudroller]

RCA - I dont work their anymore. But I will say the upgrade is less than 2 years. What is it over at Comair? Its loosers like you that make other Comair pilots look stupid. I have said it before and i am telling you. As a mesa pilot when you guys were on strike, i helped support your strike fund. Grow up

 

[urflyingme?!]

Ya bro I'd like to see some MAPD guy make captain with 300hrs...

Some guys did go from MAPD, then again, some guys had kids to feed...(not sayin anything about those guys, just sayin)

 

[Popeye0537]

OK, I'll give you a shot at shutting it. Send an email to [email protected] and let me know where you want to meet.

Phoenix sounds like a good place...I know you'll be on reserve there for a long time....



I'm sure you know all about rashes. This thread is like your love life...you've put your johnson in something where it doesn't belong.[/quot

Very nice.....take you long to think that up?

 

[El Ocho]

What is this, grade school?

Nananananana, my regional is better than your regional!

Truth is all regionals suck, and we, if we know what's going on, we all will be leaving them as soon as we can!

So who cares if you make a little more money over here or over there, it's all a temporary setback in the race to get on somewhere else.

Compare any regional to any major, even any LCC, and you'll understand what this is all about. It's about not staying at a regional any longer than necessary.

If you have a little better life at your regional, well so what? If you want to present a "better than" argument, present me with the facts about how many pilots from said regional have moved on to the good life.

If your percentage is higher than our precentage, than yeah, maybe your regional is better!

 

[Beantown]

What is this, grade school?

Na, its Flightinfo, made up of pilots that haven't yet graduated grade school. -Bean

 

[RCA]

Hey cloudroller,
Im sure all the Comair guys would have supported your stike fund as well. If you guys did strike, anyone that went to Freedom would have been a scab. No?
Im sure some Mesa dude is going to pipe in on why it wasnt that easy.

 

[WSurf]

Problem is we can't leave as soon as we can. If people keep flying 70-100 seat Jets for BS wages. Well then they will simply replace mainline flying with these jets, thus making it harder to get to higher paying job!!!!

 

[El Ocho]

Fine... but still the fact you are lingering at a regional probably has a lot more to do with larger factors like the current economy, the managment of legacies, the political climate, the scope laid out by ALPA, and things of this nature and less to with what type of planes Mesa flys.

More to the point, the pilots at Mesa are not responsible for your lingering at a regional longer than you want to.

Why don't you try blaming the manufactures of these new 70-100 seat jets? Maybe that will make you feel better?

In case you know NOTHING about the aviation industry, there will ALWAYS be an inexhaustible supply of pilots willing to do more for less... Wishing it weren't so or cursing it will not make it any different.

So please stop attacking the bottom feeder, if it is currently Mesa, well, time will pass, and contracts will change, and eventually it WILL be your regional that is the bottom feeder... Again, study your airline history...

 

[El Ocho]

Well then they will simply replace mainline flying with these jets, thus making it harder to get to higher paying job!!!!

Uhm, and just who is this "they"? Maybe "they" are to blame??

 

[stall022]

Hey cloudroller,
Im sure all the Comair guys would have supported your stike fund as well. If you guys did strike, anyone that went to Freedom would have been a scab. No?
Im sure some Mesa dude is going to pipe in on why it wasnt that easy.

big deal so they would have been called scabs.. what do you actually think the empty threat of being called a scab would have stopped the line of 300 hour wonders waiting at the door to fly a new 90 seat jet.. if we would have struck (which would have taken years before we would have actually been released by mediation) the flying would have continued to be transferred to freedom as mesa was shrunk into nothing.

I feel for the Transtates people going thru they exact same thing with hojets. they will be force sign a substandard contact in order to keep their jobs and continue to feed their families or face furlough as the tsa flying is transferred. each pilot has to make that decision. when it comes down to feeding their family or being somekind of hero to the industry most everyone here would choose family. no one has the right to fault them for that because my or your family is no more or less important then theirs.

alpa need to get off it's collective a@@ and bring the all pilot groups together.

 

[WSurf]

Why don't you try blaming the manufactures of these new 70-100 seat jets? Maybe that will make you feel better?

Your Joking Right? Please tell me you didn't Type that! And you wonder why its a race to the bottom with thinking like that!

And I think you know who they are! Hmmm, Dash 8 Fo making more money then CRJ 900 Fo! Hmmm, you know who they are I believe!

 

[El Ocho]

Your Joking Right? Please tell me you didn't Type that! And you wonder why its a race to the bottom with thinking like that!

My point is just, DON'T BLAME THE PILOTS AT MESA FOR WHAT MESA IS.

It's not the pilots fault. We don't make the decisions and we do not have much power to change anything, especially with the ineffectiveness of ALPA, and at least until the next contract comes into effect...

So place blame where blame is do, on decision makers and situation creators, not on the innocent powerless participants.

And I think you know who they are! Hmmm, Dash 8 Fo making more money then CRJ 900 Fo! Hmmm, you know who they are I believe!

And, uhm, I have no idea what you are saying here... Who are "they"?? Why should a Dash 8 FO make more than a CRJ FO?? Isn't this an industry where pay is tied to pax seats?