Mesa ORD accident this morning

[zawillif]

On what grounds? No passengers in the United States have ever been killed in one of these aircraft due to mechanical failure.

On the grounds that the thing is CONSTANTLY broken, MEL'd etc. I've been commuting for 2 years straight on Delta MD-88s, 737s, and 757s. There have been 5 times total in those two years where we were late because the aircraft was "In Maintenance." How many times in a typical 4 day is your CRJ200 "in maintenance"? For me, if you fly a whole 4 day without being late for mx it's a miracle. And that is not counting all the "Gremlin" things that happen and you don't write up.

Maybe Delta mx is better than here, but THAT much better? The RJ could come out of a D check and still have problems the next leg. Plus, mainline aircraft don't have the gremlin problems that we have.

Finally, lets not even get into the flaps, icing, air conditioning, or the fact that if you have an alternate you are not taking a full payload.

Compare the CRJ-200 to any current 121 jet aircraft and tell me which one is worse.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

 

[AvroGuy]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

the -200 was the business jet redesign, but the -700 is very different than the 200. I would say it was a redesign that managed to keep the same type. The 700 is an airline were as the 200 is a stretched biz jet.

 

[airplane wizard]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

funny having a regional jet that is not designed for high cycle usage

 

[erikgigem]

bump.

 

[pdub20s]

Hi!

I've heard from a lot of people that the CRJ-200 is better than the ERJ-145.


cliff
GRB

youve been lied to my friend.. you should shoot whoever told you that.

 

[MusicMan]

On the grounds that the thing is CONSTANTLY broken, MEL'd etc. I've been commuting for 2 years straight on Delta MD-88s, 737s, and 757s. There have been 5 times total in those two years where we were late because the aircraft was "In Maintenance." How many times in a typical 4 day is your CRJ200 "in maintenance"? For me, if you fly a whole 4 day without being late for mx it's a miracle. And that is not counting all the "Gremlin" things that happen and you don't write up.

Maybe Delta mx is better than here, but THAT much better? The RJ could come out of a D check and still have problems the next leg. Plus, mainline aircraft don't have the gremlin problems that we have.

Finally, lets not even get into the flaps, icing, air conditioning, or the fact that if you have an alternate you are not taking a full payload.

Compare the CRJ-200 to any current 121 jet aircraft and tell me which one is worse.

Well I wouldn't care to compare it to other 121 jet aircraft because, like you, I haven't had any experience with any other 121 jet aircraft. It would be naive to say I knew anything about them. However, you seem to know everything there is to know. Your must be a very impressive person indeed.

This aircraft has an impeccable safety record so your original quote seems way off base. Aircraft break. Some more than others. But to say it's unsafe is simply not supported by any of the facts and statistics.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

At least the windscreen didn't crack as well. ;-)

 

[ArcticFlier]

I'm trying to remember the last time I flew that I had to cancel/delay a flight due to a mechanical .........

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Nope.....can't remember.

I'm being serious. I guess lucky too!

 

[Metro752]

youve been lied to my friend.. you should shoot whoever told you that.

You've flown the CRJ-200 PeeeeeeDubbs Mesa Management Goon aka JOs Fluffer?