Mesa ORD accident this morning

[zawillif]

On what grounds? No passengers in the United States have ever been killed in one of these aircraft due to mechanical failure.

On the grounds that the thing is CONSTANTLY broken, MEL'd etc. I've been commuting for 2 years straight on Delta MD-88s, 737s, and 757s. There have been 5 times total in those two years where we were late because the aircraft was "In Maintenance." How many times in a typical 4 day is your CRJ200 "in maintenance"? For me, if you fly a whole 4 day without being late for mx it's a miracle. And that is not counting all the "Gremlin" things that happen and you don't write up.

Maybe Delta mx is better than here, but THAT much better? The RJ could come out of a D check and still have problems the next leg. Plus, mainline aircraft don't have the gremlin problems that we have.

Finally, lets not even get into the flaps, icing, air conditioning, or the fact that if you have an alternate you are not taking a full payload.

Compare the CRJ-200 to any current 121 jet aircraft and tell me which one is worse.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

 

[AvroGuy]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

the -200 was the business jet redesign, but the -700 is very different than the 200. I would say it was a redesign that managed to keep the same type. The 700 is an airline were as the 200 is a stretched biz jet.

 

[airplane wizard]

I would say that it is not that DAL mtc is better than ASA, Mesa et al. The fact is that the CRJ 200 and 700 are in essence business jets that were stretched and strengthened to become the jets they are today. There is nothing wrong with these jets. I have over 6K hrs in em. The problem is that they were not designed for 6-12 cycles a day for 20 years like a Boeing product was.
After five to seven years you start to see the effects of 6-12 cycles a day.
N820AS ASA's first crj was put on property in Aug 1997. That jet is eleven and a half years old. It is going to have some mtc problems. These fleets are aging and that will result in added mtc costs

funny having a regional jet that is not designed for high cycle usage

 

[erikgigem]

bump.

 

[pdub20s]

Hi!

I've heard from a lot of people that the CRJ-200 is better than the ERJ-145.


cliff
GRB

youve been lied to my friend.. you should shoot whoever told you that.

 

[MusicMan]

On the grounds that the thing is CONSTANTLY broken, MEL'd etc. I've been commuting for 2 years straight on Delta MD-88s, 737s, and 757s. There have been 5 times total in those two years where we were late because the aircraft was "In Maintenance." How many times in a typical 4 day is your CRJ200 "in maintenance"? For me, if you fly a whole 4 day without being late for mx it's a miracle. And that is not counting all the "Gremlin" things that happen and you don't write up.

Maybe Delta mx is better than here, but THAT much better? The RJ could come out of a D check and still have problems the next leg. Plus, mainline aircraft don't have the gremlin problems that we have.

Finally, lets not even get into the flaps, icing, air conditioning, or the fact that if you have an alternate you are not taking a full payload.

Compare the CRJ-200 to any current 121 jet aircraft and tell me which one is worse.

Well I wouldn't care to compare it to other 121 jet aircraft because, like you, I haven't had any experience with any other 121 jet aircraft. It would be naive to say I knew anything about them. However, you seem to know everything there is to know. Your must be a very impressive person indeed.

This aircraft has an impeccable safety record so your original quote seems way off base. Aircraft break. Some more than others. But to say it's unsafe is simply not supported by any of the facts and statistics.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

At least the windscreen didn't crack as well. ;-)

 

[ArcticFlier]

I'm trying to remember the last time I flew that I had to cancel/delay a flight due to a mechanical .........

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Nope.....can't remember.

I'm being serious. I guess lucky too!

 

[Metro752]

youve been lied to my friend.. you should shoot whoever told you that.

You've flown the CRJ-200 PeeeeeeDubbs Mesa Management Goon aka JOs Fluffer?

 

[ArcticFlier]

Fluffer................he he...........I don't care who you are, that's funny.......

 

[erikgigem]

Hi!

I've heard from a lot of people that the CRJ-200 is better than the ERJ-145.

Also, I'd rather fly a CRJ-200 than a DC-9, as far as the airframe and avionics go.

cliff
GRB

Lets ask how much frequency flier passengers enjoy the CRJ-200. Or a deadheading crew - especially from mainline. They don't care about your avionics.

 

[kf4amu]

Lets ask how much frequency flier passengers enjoy the CRJ-200. Or a deadheading crew - especially from mainline. They don't care about your avionics.

Only been in a 145 once, and I was excited to be able to stand up straight in the pisser.

 

[DX Rick]

On the grounds that the thing is CONSTANTLY broken, MEL'd etc. I've been commuting for 2 years straight on Delta MD-88s, 737s, and 757s. There have been 5 times total in those two years where we were late because the aircraft was "In Maintenance." How many times in a typical 4 day is your CRJ200 "in maintenance"? For me, if you fly a whole 4 day without being late for mx it's a miracle. And that is not counting all the "Gremlin" things that happen and you don't write up.

Compare the CRJ-200 to any current 121 jet aircraft and tell me which one is worse.

Having over 2 years, yes, 2 whole years of flying the CRJ200. I have had only ONE mx delay, and that was about 3 months ago.
Out off all the DHing I have done on the ERJ, I have been delayed 4 times because of mx.

Now I'm not Monday morning QBing the crew, I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.
But personally I would have rather geared it up in SBN.
Reasons why:
-I'd rather shut down SBN than one of ORD's runways.
-SBN has better, barely legal strippers and they're much cheaper to see than the ones in the ORD area.
-SBN....Notre Dame, college town. Also you have the Saint Mary's girls there as well. Cheaper booze.
-SBN....College Football Hall of Fame.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Having over 2 years, yes, 2 whole years of flying the CRJ200. I have had only ONE mx delay, and that was about 3 months ago.
Out off all the DHing I have done on the ERJ, I have been delayed 4 times because of mx.

Now I'm not Monday morning QBing the crew, I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.
But personally I would have rather geared it up in SBN.
Reasons why:
-I'd rather shut down SBN than one of ORD's runways.
-SBN has better, barely legal strippers and they're much cheaper to see than the ones in the ORD area.
-SBN....Notre Dame, college town. Also you have the Saint Mary's girls there as well. Cheaper booze.
-SBN....College Football Hall of Fame.

You have numerous well thought out and valid considerations!!!

 

[DX Rick]

You have numerous well thought out and valid considerations!!!

This is what you get when you fly with me.

Oh, that and for safety purposes, I believe SBN uses the local fire department as their rescue....so atleast they have one truck to put the flames out. Hate doing it all myself with an extinguisher.

 

[imisscorplife]

I think MX is the issue here, not the CRJ. I think the 200 is a great plane!

 

[BLing]

But personally I would have rather geared it up in SBN.
Reasons why:
-I'd rather shut down SBN than one of ORD's runways.
-SBN has better, barely legal strippers and they're much cheaper to see than the ones in the ORD area.
-SBN....Notre Dame, college town. Also you have the Saint Mary's girls there as well. Cheaper booze.
-SBN....College Football Hall of Fame.

There are two schools of thought on your first reason. I personally would have gone back to ORD as it is be much better equiped to handle such an emergency just incase things got really bad. Plus MX is already there. However, the rest of your reasons are something to consider in that situation. You could go to the titty bar and tell the girls youre a hero and just maybe... actually take one home!

 

[DX Rick]

There are two schools of thought on your first reason. I personally would have gone back to ORD as it is be much better equiped to handle such an emergency just incase things got really bad. Plus MX is already there. However, the rest of your reasons are something to consider in that situation. You could go to the titty bar and tell the girls youre a hero and just maybe... actually take one home!

Holy sh*t, can't anyone take a joke on FI.com anymore?

 

[Kittyhawk1048]

Accident at ORD

I am a Airport Operations Supervisor working for the City of Chicago at ORD. I watched Air Shuttle 7164 come in on RWY 28 and got to see the plane land with my own eyes from our tower. We use the old FAA tower in front of the Hilton for our ops ctr, I also happen to be a Aircraft Dispatcher.

The reason the flight came back to ORD is because we are better equipped to handle a situation like this we have 3 fire houses at ORD. Our first fire truck was on the scene in less than a minute and the others followed not less than three min behind.

Once the passengers were off the plane they were placed in the fire trucks and ambulances until our buses arrived all in all from the time the plane landed until the time the passenges were back at gate C4 was 20 minutes. I dont think SBN would have been able to handle that.

Yes it took out one of our main runways 10-28 which did not open until 9am this morning. And we needed it because of the 4" of snow we received. The problem was is that the CRJ had to have bags placed under the wings so that it could be lifted and towed to the hangar.

People in and outside of the industry forget about the people that actually run the airport and are on the front lines of such an incident. But hey I am used to that from being an Aircraft Dispatcher. All the passengers see is the pilot and F/A they forget there are so many others that make an airport run.