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Mesa now bunks together on cont duty

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9rj9

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looks like brokeback mountain at Mesa...

Dec 28th, 2006
WFAA-TV
Pilots admit to flying tired. Some have fallen asleep during takeoff. Also Online

One of the nation's largest regional airlines is changing its policy regarding sleeping on planes. This action follows a News 8 investigation on pilot fatigue.

Mesa Airlines will no longer force pilots to "camp out" in the passenger section of planes when the aircraft are parked between flights overnight.

News 8 broke the story on "camp outs," last month.
Until our investigation, if you were flying Mesa Airlines, your pilot might have rolled out a sleeping bag and curled up in the cabin of an airplane the night before your flight.

Mesa flies into Dallas under the U.S. Airways Express brand and is one of the largest regional airlines in the country.
On overnight schedules between flights, Mesa pilots regularly took off their ties, took apart seats to make a bed, and stretched out to try to get some sleep.

It's part of what can often be a twelve hour long duty day for many regional pilots, and they say that leads to exhaustion and mistakes.

"Almost landing on the wrong runway," said one pilot who asked not to be identified, "[or] landing with a checklist that turned out to be incomplete."

As at most airlines, Mesa pilots fly what's called continuous duty overnights. That's where they might have to spend as much as four hours on the ground in the middle of the night.
It's all within FAA regulations.

But now, after News 8 revealed pilots were camping out on their aircraft, Mesa modified its procedures.

In a crew briefing obtained by News 8, Mesa is now telling its pilots, "All continuous duty overnights less than four hours will have one crew hotel room available. Please contact the (Mesa) hotel desk."

In other words, Mesa will now pay for a crew to split a hotel room instead of camping out on the plane.

When News 8 contacted Mesa about the change, airline spokesman Paul Skellon said, "We have no comment."
But pilots say a hotel room won't solve the real problem.

"We don't transport ourselves from the airplane to a hotel bed and are immediately asleep," said one pilot. "Pilots have to be transported to the hotel and a lot of times, transportation doesn't come to them in a timely manner."

Check out the pickup area at any airport and you'll see pilots waiting for a ride to the hotel. Every minute of waiting time eats into sleep a pilot needs to function.

A lot of pilots say their sleep deprivation is constant. It's not just when they're on continuous duty overnights, but it is throughout their work schedule. They say they regularly fly on as little as four hours of sleep.

It's a problem, pilots say, that exists not just at Mesa, but every regional airline in the country.
 
It won't take long for a reporter to put this story together with the Hawaii court case, the Ceder City complaints, Charlotte and JO's stock trading past. Come to think of it- this could be a major boost for all of us to get these practices eradicated.
 
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God, how embarrassing. How cheap can a company be? Even Lakes buys all crews seperate hotels on high speeds. So a male capt. will be in one hotel room with a female Fo and a female FA? Hmmm...maybe that isn't so bad. I wonder what the hotel employees think when three crew members check into one room. God Mesa sucks.
 
do they paper rock scisors for the top bunk.... or maybe the ********************ter in the morning!
 
Who wants to bet Mesa pilots will see a rise in sexual harrassment lawsuits, divorce filings, pregnancies, and a push for the legalization of same-sex marriage?
 
I have to ask: WHY DO PEOPLE PUT UP WITH THIS STUFF? WHY NOT QUIT?

Geez, even a long-distance truck driver gets his/her own sleeper AND makes more money.
 
This news article is a good thing. Reporters love to tell the general public about how much danger they're in and they don't even know it..... and they also love to be the first one to blow the lid on a story. In the end, if something changes at the company, the reporter gets serious reporter bragging rights.

Hopefully someone will notice and news stories like this will catch on and the general public can become more educated about some of our industry's work rules.
 
I have to ask: WHY DO PEOPLE PUT UP WITH THIS STUFF? WHY NOT QUIT?

Geez, even a long-distance truck driver gets his/her own sleeper AND makes more money.

I agree....all regionals are hiring, why do these mesa kids put up with this!!
 
Who wants to bet Mesa pilots will see a rise in sexual harrassment lawsuits, divorce filings, pregnancies, and a push for the legalization of same-sex marriage?
And that's different from an other airline career, how?
 
I have to ask: WHY DO PEOPLE PUT UP WITH THIS STUFF? WHY NOT QUIT?

reminds of of the old joke:

The novice ramp worker draws up smartly next to the newly arrived airliner and plugs a hose into the belly of the aircraft. Turning to his vehicle, he hits a switch. A pump starts up and the contents of an onboard tank begin to flow. Unfortunately, in his haste and anxiety to impress, he hasn’t quite completed the connection. The hose springs free and the contents of the tank – the toilet waste tank, that is – gush forth and soak him from head to toe.

Standing safely upwind, an older hand yells: “You’ve done that three times since you started – isn’t it time you found yourself a new job?”

“And get out of aviation!?,” retorts the newbie, dripping but undaunted. “No way!!!!”
 
Do the kids in Farmington (Mesa Flight Academy) sleep in the bonanza at night......just to get use to the lifestyle. They could have a sleep over and go over E6B problems and fly the 1900 on flight sim, all from the comfort of their sleeping bag.
 
Just shows, massive growth is nice, but so are good work rules in your contract. Note to John Prader: If a contract does not maintain some standard for work rules, across the industry, DON'T sign it!!!
 
The real issue here is not that the pilots are having to work all night, or that they do or don't get a hotel room. Many safety-critical occupations require that people be on duty during the wee hours of the morning. The issue, in my opinion, is the ridiculously high duty periods that are authorized by the FAA and the fact that these crews are often expected to go from one side of the clock to the other (basically working swing shifts) during the course of a 4 day trip. If the media or ALPA really cares about safety being compromised due to tired or fatigued crews then more people should be lobbying the FAA to get these rules changed. Working overnight isn't necessarily unsafe by itself, but being on duty for 16 hours and trying to do a job where one mistake can cost lives is a real problem.
 
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I could be wrong but I believe other, more "esteemed" regionals such as QX also require crew to share rooms on CDOs.

QX doesn't do CDOs anymore, and to my knowledge we've NEVER been forced to bunk together. Sh!t, I never even had to do that at a dirtbag 135 freight op.
 
The only crews who generally have to room together are the guys flying for NASCAR teams. Whole different deal though....usually one crew, one airplane. This Mesa gig you would have no idea who is sleeping in your room from one night to the next.
 
Not that it will matter since facts don't really belong on FI.com, but the room sharing only applies to CDO's where the break is scheduled under 4 hours. Anything over 4 hours everyone gets their own room just like any other overnight. Not that this makes a difference since it's a stupid policy anyway.

Bottom line is we shouldn't have CDOs in this industry at all. They are unsafe. Mesa's are by far the worst of all the regionals with the notorious LAS camping trips. Thankfully, I don't have to do them since I'm not PHX based, but it's on my LONG list of things to be addressed in the next contract.

Fix it or burn it down.
 

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