Mesa losing DEN Dash 8 flying

[PA31Driver]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mesa-Announces-Termination-of-prnews-3983302520.html?x=0&.v=1

 

[Scapegoat]

Obviously a new vendor will be announced in the next 2 months.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Mesa sucks

 

[Minimaniac]

I see three options:

1- UAL will just let the Dash go away, with no replacement. That could equate to forfeiting some customers entirely, something UAL cannot afford to do.

2- Skywest will be tapped to pick up the slack. Not sure how the Brasilia does in that kind of environment, but it seems to do just fine out West.

3- UAL will codeshare with Frontier on the Lynx flights out of DEN. A few new Q400's may be purchased, and RAH would be happy to have someone else helping to sell tickets on its stand alone ops. UAL gets a piece of the pie with no expenditure, and RAH gets additional revenue. Seems like a win-win for two companies that seem to need each other to survive.

The first option seems unlikely. The second option would be the best overall, I feel. The third option would be the least expensive, and only an option to the most financially strapped of companies.

 

[777forever]

IMO, Skywest will pick up this flying. I have a feeling that Q400 statement that was pulled from the Skywest memo has some substance. Also, I highly doubt UAL will be giving any RAH subsidiary any more flying.

 

[Lampshade]

After hours Mesa stock price down 37%

 

[Brasilia Pup]

After hours Mesa stock price down 37%

MESA SUCKS!!! :beer:

 

[CX880]

IMO, Skywest will pick up this flying. I have a feeling that Q400 statement that was pulled from the Skywest memo has some substance. Also, I highly doubt UAL will be giving any RAH subsidiary any more flying.

You are wrong. This is a strategic move to bring in RAH ERJ190s for United. What they will do is they will start a code share in Denver with Lynx which is a subsidiary of RAH, then when the certificates are combined they could start flying the EMB190 for UA. Sucks for Mesa.

 

[NWaviator]

This is a strategic move to bring in RAH ERJ190s for United. What they will do is they will start a code share in Denver with Lynx which is a subsidiary of RAH, then when the certificates are combined they could start flying the EMB190 for UA. Sucks for Mesa.

That doesn't just suck for Mesa but for all of us as pilots. Lowering the bar once again.

 

[DoinTime]

This certainly seems like foreshadowing for the remainder of United's contracts with Mesa that have early clauses in the near future. Look out for the RJ's to be pulled from United in the near future.

 

[altimaklr]

Perhaps Colgan Q400's.. Maybe this has something to do with the rumors of training department in MEM getting setup for classes in Jan.. it isn't for the Pinnacle side.

 

[CX880]

Perhaps Colgan Q400's.. Maybe this has something to do with the rumors of training department in MEM getting setup for classes in Jan.. it isn't for the Pinnacle side.

Will they have to do mountain ice training this time? Aspen is a little different than Syracuse.

 

[Minimaniac]

IMO, Skywest will pick up this flying. I have a feeling that Q400 statement that was pulled from the Skywest memo has some substance. Also, I highly doubt UAL will be giving any RAH subsidiary any more flying.

It is not a matter of giving RAH any more flying. It is UAL taking advantage of someone's existing operation and cutting their own risk and expenditures on parallel route structures. It just so happens in this HYPOTHETICAL scenario that an RAH subsidiary offers the parallel route structure.

What makes you think United will do anything intelligent regarding their choices in contract lift? They have cut Air Wisconsin and ACA, two of their best RJ operators. They continue to utilize Mesa despite years of operational problems (not a stab at the pilots, but rather the overall operational challenges). They utilize Colgan and Trans States, two more companies that have serious operational issues due to managerial shortcomings. They have had poorly executed shifts in ground operations in Chicago and Dulles. The list goes on and on.

Codesharing with a competitor is not unusual. Any codeshare requires you to direct money from your own pockets into another company's coffers. Delta codeshares with Midwest. United codeshares with US Airways. This list, too, goes on and on. Codeshares happen. UAL codesharing with RAH is the same as UAL codesharing with ANYONE else. What, in the eyes of management, would make codesharing with RAH any worse than codesharing with US Airways? We pilots have far more brand loyalty than our bosses. Codesharing hurts our job prospects, but it improves management's job longevity and standing in the eyes of the board. So tell me again why United would not codeshare with RAH?

For the record, i do not think UAL will actually code share with RAH. I was merely pointing it out as a valid option for UAL. Your post was grounded in poor logic, so I have merely tried to show you the fault I perceive in your argument.

 

[mesaserf]

Wichita (US Airways) is closing at the end of October. It was one of the original destinations for America West back in the 1980's. They just announced the closer of Colorado Springs flying too.

It's F*cking PSA all over again.

 

[Tar Heel]

MESA SUCKS!!! :beer:

Wow. The potential for more pilots on the street and that's what you have to say? Really classy.

 

[mesaserf]

Wow. The potential for more pilots on the street and that's what you have to say? Really classy.

At least someone gets it.

For those who slept through aviation history PSA was a low coast carrier based in LAX that US Airways bought in the 1990's. They then began the slow withdrawal of west coast flying until all the PSA flying was history.

Once again the middle management of US Airways proves they have no F*ucking clue how to fly west of the Mississippi. I mean, these waste of oxygen peaces of human excrement have proved time and again over the last 25+ years that they have zero competence in running an airline.

Yet somehow this nightmare of an airline survives by grafting on pieces of other, better run airlines upon themselves. Then they continue to stagger into the night like some post deregulation Frankenstein.

But I'm not bitter...I don't even work for them.

 

[flygirl135]

or "pieces"...

 

[mesaserf]

or "pieces"...

Ugh.. OK I changed it. feel better?

 

[DHPFLYN]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/charles_ucsb/PSA.jpg

 

[mesaserf]

I also stand corrected. Us Air bought PSA in 1986-1987.

 

[Cardinal]

It is UAL taking advantage of someone's existing operation and cutting their own risk and expenditures on parallel route structures.

There is precedent for this. Great Lakes was a dedicated United Express carrier untill 2000, at which point the relationship was terminated. Great Lakes became standalone, codesharing with BOTH United and Frontier in most markets. United only backfilled a fraction of the fromer network with other regional partners, and just accepted codesharing with a competitor in all but the biggest of those markets. The only difference between that arrangement and codesharing on Lynx flights would be scale.

Of course it's not going to happen. Skywest bought their way in, they'll doubtless pick up the flying with a mix of CL65s and E120s.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Wow. The potential for more pilots on the street and that's what you have to say? Really classy.

Mesa Sucks! There is NOTHING classy about Mesa. Hopefully this will result in those pilots getting on with a reputable company.

 

[DoinTime]

At least someone gets it.

For those who slept through aviation history PSA was a low coast carrier based in LAX that US Airways bought in the 1990's. They then began the slow withdrawal of west coast flying until all the PSA flying was history.

Once again the middle management of US Airways proves they have no F*ucking clue how to fly west of the Mississippi. I mean, these waste of oxygen peaces of human excrement have proved time and again over the last 25+ years that they have zero competence in running an airline.

Yet somehow this nightmare of an airline survives by grafting on pieces of other, better run airlines upon themselves. Then they continue to stagger into the night like some post deregulation Frankenstein.

But I'm not bitter...I don't even work for them.

You managed to perfectly describe Mesa and many other airlines in that rant too. Nicely done!

 

[Tar Heel]

Mesa Sucks! There is NOTHING classy about Mesa. Hopefully this will result in those pilots getting on with a reputable company.

Again....missed the point. I wasn't implying anything regarding Mesa OR any other company. I was however, referring to the fact that someone else is relishing in the fact that someone else might (key word, might) be out of a job and on the street. As for reputable company - which one? This is aviation.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Might I add that I visited the Denver tower and they absolutly hate the skywest pilots. They were pretty pissed at you guys. They actually liked the Mesa pilots...hmm. Maybe it is that cocky attitude the skywest pilots have....grow up.

 

[Green Banana]

Wow. The potential for more pilots on the street and that's what you have to say? Really classy.

What did the MESA guys say when they drove AOLHA out of business? No sympathy here.

 

[NoJoy]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[crashpad]

Thee reason the controllers hate the skywest pilots is because they can't understand what they're saying half the time...something about their headsets.
They like they Mesa guys because they've been around since the beginning of DIA and have more experienced crews on those planes.

 

[Cardinal]

Thee reason the controllers hate the skywest pilots is because they can't understand what they're saying half the time...something about their headsets.

"Center, mummble garble (no callsign) 6336 level (diminuendo) garble mumble"

All day, every day. It blows my mind when a fighter guy on VHF being force-fed O2 in a mask sounds clear as a bell in comparison.

 

[CX880]

Might I add that I visited the Denver tower and they absolutly hate the skywest pilots. They were pretty pissed at you guys. They actually liked the Mesa pilots...hmm. Maybe it is that cocky attitude the skywest pilots have....grow up.

Cant' help it, it's the 9, it's so shinny. The reason why our audio is off is because we don't use the DCs, that's too regional, we pretend to be mainline and use the 2 kilogram telex headsets. The wind noise is bad but who cares it's the 9. I'd fly it for free, bring on the q400s even though they are props.