Mesa informs passangers

[Booker]

Also, only on Mesa...."window shades must be up for takeoff and landing."

Again, I've heard this on other (but not all) airlines, as well.

 

[xrated]

Would you inform your pax if you had to use abnomal manuevers to comply with an RA?

Would I inform other readers of this thread that you are a TOOL? Yes.

Everyone reading this.....PA44Jockey is a TOOL. I know it, you know it, he knows it, and his mom knows it. PA44Jockey is a TOOL!!

P.S. I think Mesa denied him employment. His 25hrs of dual given in a Seminole was below their mins.

 

[xrated]

Also, only on Mesa...."window shades must be up for takeoff and landing."

Not true....Carry on.

 

[xrated]

the point being when sitting in back you have know idea what circumstances are taking place up front. Now maybe the pilots were idiots but maybe something happened that made the flight not routine. I for the most part give fellow professionals the benefit of the doubt.

Good point pilot772. Problem is, PA44 is not just a professional, he is a professional TOOL! He's a RJ f/o who thinks he's better than Mesa pilots because they "put a side load on the landing gear"? Man, PA44 is a TOOL!!

 

[CX880]

Hey PA44Captain, Are you one of those FOs that want to change the faa atp mins to 300 hours RJ SIC time?? By the way when you hold an ERJ it's usually clean. Those Mesa ERJ crews are senior in the company that FO you saw had at least a year or more in the right seat and most likely during that time had flown JFK to PHL more than a few times. You of all pax should know better than to judge the guys upfront.

 

[n757st]

Also, only on Mesa...."window shades must be up for takeoff and landing."

Last time I deadheaded on RP they said the same thing. Could just be an issue with their DO.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Hey PA44Captain, Are you one of those FOs that want to change the faa atp mins to 300 hours RJ SIC time?? By the way when you hold an ERJ it's usually clean. Those Mesa ERJ crews are senior in the company that FO you saw had at least a year or more in the right seat and most likely during that time had flown JFK to PHL more than a few times. You of all pax should know better than to judge the guys upfront.

Ok guys, Obviously I have gotten under your skin and that was not my intention. It's funny how you poke fun at my flying experience by looking at my profile on here. I am not saying that I am an almighty pilot(though that's what you take away from this.) In fact if you knew me you would see that I am a very understanding and professional guy and I make my own share of mistakes. I am sitting just shy of 4000 hours right now with an ATP(maybe I should update my profile so you all don't freak out.) I am sure you all know as well, that the flight time you hold doesn't make you a safe or competent pilot. How many of you have flown with someone who has over 10K hours, but has no common sense? It's out there. Just curious what is the seniority date is your most junior CA over there? I wonder how much experince these "senior" guys have.

Though it may not be in your procedures to hold with the flaps at 9 degrees, we did it. I am not saying that you can't do it either. I just thought more caution would be exhibited during the situation and the conditions that existed.

I guess I am wasting your time so I will stop posting here.

 

[snap145]

I flew on a Freedom flight from JFK to PHL last week and it was my first experience with the Freedom product, besides listening to them try to copy a clearance on the radio. In the beginning I gave the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain and the FO did a nice job with the PA welcoming us aboard and preparing us for T/O. We took off on our 29 minute flight to PHL and didn't hear another word from them. Not after 29 minutes and not after 45 minutes. Nothing at all. We held for a while at 8K and still nothing. After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool. To finish the ride we ended with a very nice sideloaded touchdown. Winds were steady at 12 knots. When I walked off of the plane that Captain looked embarrassed and a little freaked out. Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

come on be honest....you fly for Mesa dont you????

 

[PA44Jockey]

come on be honest....you fly for Mesa dont you????

You got me!

 

[brokedash]

Isn't the FA annoucement supposed to be "In the event of de-presurazation oxygen masks will drop from the overhead panel..."

As far as pilot announcements, those guys should say something before departure or after completing the climb out check list. They should also talk to you as the decent starts. I've been on many flights where flight deck PA's happened only on decent. You would think having been in the air for the last 2 hours they would have had time to say something. Perhaps some pilots need to remember their flying peeps, not boxes.

 

[dispatchguy]

ASA does this as well - heard it on my weekly commutes twixt SBN atnd ATL...

 

[relief tube]

While on a mesa flight to Charlotte, a flight attendent with a heavy accent informed us that "Regulations require that we inform you that the flight deck is at the front of the aircraft." The entire plane cracked up, and the rest of her message was lost. Only on Mesa.

Wacoflyr

uhh....welcome. A good percent of airlines do that.

 

[flyingfool]

I will stop posting here.

Thank you....

 

[Flyin2low]

While on a mesa flight to Charlotte, a flight attendent with a heavy accent informed us that "Regulations require that we inform you that the flight deck is at the front of the aircraft." The entire plane cracked up, and the rest of her message was lost. Only on Mesa.

Wacoflyr

That announcement is so 9/11

 

[mozzer]

Ok guys. It was not wake turbulence. I've been through wake turbulence before. The aircraft simply sent from a 15 degree or so banked turn to the right into a sharp 30 to 40 degree(approx) turn to the left very abruptly and then remained in the left hand turn. As if the pilots flew through the localizer, or missed a turn when they were told to exit the hold.

Like I said before, we all have bad landings. However I don't think I am alone on this one, but I have never badly sideloaded an aircraft in essentially light winds.

I have never seen a flight crew show their passengers that they were scared.

Now that I have formed my own opinion here, I will get off my soap box.

How do you know they were scared...maybe just sharing some sweet-tarts

 

[mozzer]

Also, only on Mesa...."window shades must be up for takeoff and landing."

not true...happened to me on brand x

 

[flyboyike]

Also, everyone has a bad landing hear and there in gusty conditions, or even in not gusty conditions there are firm landings.

For sure, I planted one tonight. Granted the x-wind was 17kts, but still. No side load, but pretty hairy nonetheless. I guess the landing gods were too good to me for too long

 

[Captain Morgan]

I flew on a Freedom flight from JFK to PHL last week and it was my first experience with the Freedom product, besides listening to them try to copy a clearance on the radio. In the beginning I gave the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain and the FO did a nice job with the PA welcoming us aboard and preparing us for T/O. We took off on our 29 minute flight to PHL and didn't hear another word from them. Not after 29 minutes and not after 45 minutes. Nothing at all. We held for a while at 8K and still nothing. After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool. To finish the ride we ended with a very nice sideloaded touchdown. Winds were steady at 12 knots. When I walked off of the plane that Captain looked embarrassed and a little freaked out. Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

Oh god of the sky, how can we ever compare to your greatness. You are a retard. What do you know of what went on up front. Maybe they got an R/A and had to take action. Maybe the FO was a new pilot. Maybe they were too busy working to give you a little comfort in the back because you were pissing your pants. You need to get over it because you aren't perfect so don't pretend you are. I'd love to come jumpseat with you and pick your flying to pieces.

 

[aviatrix]

Sorry, I am just use to hearing crews tell the pax at least a quick something when they hold. My problem isn't as much with the communications as it is with basic airmanship. Flying at low speeds, in a swept wing aircraft, in choppy weather you don't turn an aircraft at a roll rate of an extra300. Also, everyone has a bad landing hear and there in gusty conditions, or even in not gusty conditions there are firm landings. Expected. However, to sideload an ERJ with a crosswind 45 degrees off the nose at 12 knots is definitely a problem. At this level of flying I wouldn't expect a severe sideload unless winds were far off the nose and gusting near 30kts. Then when your crew looks scared afterward. Come on..

Hahah!! Dork! What do you fly, kid?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

This thread made me think about something. Somewhere out there is the "World's Worst Pilot", and many people will be getting on that pilot's flight this week.

Think about it.

 

[Talian]

I love your type. Sitting in the back, thinking you know everything that is going on. How do you know you were holding at 8k?
I bet since the crew didn't keep everyone informed, you did.

He probably had one of those cool altimeter watches from Sportys.

 

[mynameisjim]

He probably had one of those cool altimeter watches from Sportys.

Which would indicate cabin altitude...

 

[dowhite2]

Do you really think those freedom pilots are going to break sterile cockpit below 10k for informational purposes. And as far as flaps 9 in choppy air, if they have us slowed down below 180kts or so, you bet I'll have flaps 9 in. Us airline pilots love you GA pilots second guessing us.

 

[dowhite2]

Oh I'm sorry from your previous posts I guess you are not GA.... u sure sound like one. Don't second guess unless you are up there conducting a line check.

 

[Vavso]

Pa44

Since you are so critical of others here is my own of you LEARN TO SPELL




landing hear HERE
I kid you knot NOT


over and out

 

[nerjdriver]

Which would indicate cabin altitude...

Explains the 8000ft. They were holding at FL 230.

Riddle strikes again...dun dun dun.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Ok, so I can't spell. I am not an english teacher, I am a pilot.

You guys are cracking me up with this stuff. The captain told us before takeoff that our cruising altitude was 8,000 ft. Makes sense for such a short flight.

Why would you hold under 180 knots in a jet? I don't think I have ever held under 200, but I am not aware of your policy, so I'll give you this one. Holding less than 180?

Do you guys also consider sterile cockpit as not being able to keep your crew informed of abnormal situations? Let's say the crew was responding to a traffic alert in a hold. Unlikely, but lets say..... A "holy crap that was close" following a sharp turn reversal from a gentle right turn to a very sharp left turn probably close to 45 degrees, I think would warrent a call to the FA at least. Safety of flight?Even the FA was freaked out by it and they never even called him.

There is a reason your stock is trading under .20

 

[badlander45]

And there is a reason you are GA trash.

 

[CX880]

Ok, so I can't spell. I am not an english teacher, I am a pilot.

You guys are cracking me up with this stuff. The captain told us before takeoff that our cruising altitude was 8,000 ft. Makes sense for such a short flight.

Why would you hold under 180 knots in a jet? I don't think I have ever held under 200, but I am not aware of your policy, so I'll give you this one. Holding less than 180?

Do you guys also consider sterile cockpit as not being able to keep your crew informed of abnormal situations? Let's say the crew was responding to a traffic alert in a hold. Unlikely, but lets say..... A "holy crap that was close" following a sharp turn reversal from a gentle right turn to a very sharp left turn probably close to 45 degrees, I think would warrent a call to the FA at least. Safety of flight?Even the FA was freaked out by it and they never even called him.

There is a reason your stock is trading under .20

No it doesn't warrant anything, normal turning is not considered abnormal situation. And what does Mesa's stock have anything to to with this flight?

 

[dowhite2]

You said they had already left the hold silly. That's when this "abnormal situation" occured. And coming into Philly indeed the will slow you way far out. Do you have the 145 flap maneuvering speeds and load limits memorized, funny I do. YES I will have my first notch of flaps extended if told to slow to lets say 180 or lower. EXPECIALLY in choppy air. Obviously YOU are the one that doesn't understand swept, supercritical wing aerodynamics. And speaking of that, if I am landing on I think 35 or 27R at PHL (not to mention EYW) in said swept supercritical wing with no slats, I will take a firm somewhat fugly landing as long as safety wasn't compromised. But then again you don't know if it was compromised or not cause you weren't sitting in the jumpseat were you? Go fly your piper!

Ok, so I can't spell. I am not an english teacher, I am a pilot.

You guys are cracking me up with this stuff. The captain told us before takeoff that our cruising altitude was 8,000 ft. Makes sense for such a short flight.

Why would you hold under 180 knots in a jet? I don't think I have ever held under 200, but I am not aware of your policy, so I'll give you this one. Holding less than 180?

Do you guys also consider sterile cockpit as not being able to keep your crew informed of abnormal situations? Let's say the crew was responding to a traffic alert in a hold. Unlikely, but lets say..... A "holy crap that was close" following a sharp turn reversal from a gentle right turn to a very sharp left turn probably close to 45 degrees, I think would warrent a call to the FA at least. Safety of flight?Even the FA was freaked out by it and they never even called him.

There is a reason your stock is trading under .20