Mesa informs passangers

[wacoflyr]

While on a mesa flight to Charlotte, a flight attendent with a heavy accent informed us that "Regulations require that we inform you that the flight deck is at the front of the aircraft." The entire plane cracked up, and the rest of her message was lost. Only on Mesa.

Wacoflyr

 

[Booker]

Only on Mesa.

Not really. Several airlines have that as part of the safety briefing. I do wonder, however, if "regulations require" it, why all airlines don't include it in the brief.

 

[mynameisjim]

I've noticed that the republic automated announcer says it too, something like 'regulations require us to give the location of the flight deck door'

 

[aerobat21]

mesa sucks

 

[WIPilot]

Not really. Several airlines have that as part of the safety briefing. I do wonder, however, if "regulations require" it, why all airlines don't include it in the brief.

I guess if it is written into the ops specs it could be argued that it is a regulation for that airline.

 

[CX880]

mesa flight attendent with a heavy accent informed

Wacoflyr

Aren't they all in CLT. My favorite one was a Chinese FA, I don't think anyone understood what she was saying. Most RJs have automated briefs though, mesa I guess is too cheap.

 

[PA44Jockey]

I flew on a Freedom flight from JFK to PHL last week and it was my first experience with the Freedom product, besides listening to them try to copy a clearance on the radio. In the beginning I gave the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain and the FO did a nice job with the PA welcoming us aboard and preparing us for T/O. We took off on our 29 minute flight to PHL and didn't hear another word from them. Not after 29 minutes and not after 45 minutes. Nothing at all. We held for a while at 8K and still nothing. After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool. To finish the ride we ended with a very nice sideloaded touchdown. Winds were steady at 12 knots. When I walked off of the plane that Captain looked embarrassed and a little freaked out. Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

 

[Kream926]

I've noticed that the republic automated announcer says it too, something like 'regulations require us to give the location of the flight deck door'

that door is located in the front center of the aircraft. no unauthorized entry is allowed

 

[30West]

no unauthorized entry is allowed

giggity

 

[rightseatjocky]

Passangers?......... Passengers....... hmmm
OMG!!!!!!!!
:smash:

 

[captainv]

Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

PA44Jockey,

By your logic, DAL shouldn't exist based on a flight I once had from GSO-ATL. No "welcome aboard" PA from flight deck. Pushed back, sat for 20 minutes. No PA. Taxied out, sat short of the runway for 45 minutes. No PA. Took off, held for 30 minutes, no PA. Landing wasn't a greaser. The humanity!

Good thing no one's ever had any kind of bad experience on one of your flights, huh?

 

[WayBack]

I flew on a Freedom flight from JFK to PHL last week and it was my first experience with the Freedom product, besides listening to them try to copy a clearance on the radio. In the beginning I gave the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain and the FO did a nice job with the PA welcoming us aboard and preparing us for T/O. We took off on our 29 minute flight to PHL and didn't hear another word from them. Not after 29 minutes and not after 45 minutes. Nothing at all. We held for a while at 8K and still nothing. After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool. To finish the ride we ended with a very nice sideloaded touchdown. Winds were steady at 12 knots. When I walked off of the plane that Captain looked embarrassed and a little freaked out. Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

I love your type. Sitting in the back, thinking you know everything that is going on. How do you know you were holding at 8k?
I bet since the crew didn't keep everyone informed, you did.

 

[n757st]

I love your type. Sitting in the back, thinking you know everything that is going on. How do you know you were holding at 8k?
I bet since the crew didn't keep everyone informed, you did.

I guess in fairness you would hold in PHL at 8000 feet over VCN. Other then that, the tour of NJ and PA is expected, as is the holding into PHL, I mean, its PHL, the only airport that probably holds more is LGA. Who cares, Mesa sucks, we all know that, he should lower his expectations and he will not be upset.

 

[PA44Jockey]

I love your type. Sitting in the back, thinking you know everything that is going on. How do you know you were holding at 8k?
I bet since the crew didn't keep everyone informed, you did.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. When the Captain tells you before takeoff that you will be "cruising at a Whopping 8,000 feet." I kid you knot. A professional Whopping of 8,000 feet and you are doing a 180 degree left turn with 9 degrees of flaps every 2 minutes.

 

[PA44Jockey]

PA44Jockey,

By your logic, DAL shouldn't exist based on a flight I once had from GSO-ATL. No "welcome aboard" PA from flight deck. Pushed back, sat for 20 minutes. No PA. Taxied out, sat short of the runway for 45 minutes. No PA. Took off, held for 30 minutes, no PA. Landing wasn't a greaser. The humanity!

Good thing no one's ever had any kind of bad experience on one of your flights, huh?

Sorry, I am just use to hearing crews tell the pax at least a quick something when they hold. My problem isn't as much with the communications as it is with basic airmanship. Flying at low speeds, in a swept wing aircraft, in choppy weather you don't turn an aircraft at a roll rate of an extra300. Also, everyone has a bad landing hear and there in gusty conditions, or even in not gusty conditions there are firm landings. Expected. However, to sideload an ERJ with a crosswind 45 degrees off the nose at 12 knots is definitely a problem. At this level of flying I wouldn't expect a severe sideload unless winds were far off the nose and gusting near 30kts. Then when your crew looks scared afterward. Come on..

 

[Flying Illini]

Maybe they hit someones wake-turbulence? That could account for the roll-rate.

As for the sideloaded landing, well, I'm sure you've never, EVER had a bad landing.

 

[TapitLight]

I never post here...just a lot of listening from the sidelines for the past few years.

I have to say that this is one of the most worthless threads I have ever seen. Get a life. Please.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Maybe they hit someones wake-turbulence? That could account for the roll-rate.

As for the sideloaded landing, well, I'm sure you've never, EVER had a bad landing.

Ok guys. It was not wake turbulence. I've been through wake turbulence before. The aircraft simply sent from a 15 degree or so banked turn to the right into a sharp 30 to 40 degree(approx) turn to the left very abruptly and then remained in the left hand turn. As if the pilots flew through the localizer, or missed a turn when they were told to exit the hold.

Like I said before, we all have bad landings. However I don't think I am alone on this one, but I have never badly sideloaded an aircraft in essentially light winds.

I have never seen a flight crew show their passengers that they were scared.

Now that I have formed my own opinion here, I will get off my soap box.

 

[lowlycfi]

Jeez, how many of these sophmoric "Guess what I saw the crew on (insert regional airline name here) do while I was sitting in the back" threads are we going to have? Don't you guys have any new material?

 

[WalterSobchak]

While on a mesa flight to Charlotte, a flight attendent with a heavy accent informed us that "Regulations require that we inform you that the flight deck is at the front of the aircraft." The entire plane cracked up, and the rest of her message was lost. Only on Mesa.

Wacoflyr

I want to say that those who do not make this announcement have a placard on the door that states "FLIGHT DECK DOOR - AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY"...which allows for not having to make the announcement. I've never seen an actual reg requiring this...but it may be required for Mesa's FOM for CYA reasons.

Also, Mesa sucks.

 

[waka]

This is no worse than "........the cabin is fully pressurized for your comfort..........":laugh:

 

[say again]

Ok guys. It was not wake turbulence. I've been through wake turbulence before. The aircraft simply sent from a 15 degree or so banked turn to the right into a sharp 30 to 40 degree(approx) turn to the left very abruptly and then remained in the left hand turn. As if the pilots flew through the localizer, or missed a turn when they were told to exit the hold.

Like I said before, we all have bad landings. However I don't think I am alone on this one, but I have never badly sideloaded an aircraft in essentially light winds.

I have never seen a flight crew show their passengers that they were scared.

Now that I have formed my own opinion here, I will get off my soap box.

People like you crack me up!!!!

 

[Goose Egg]

I...After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool...

...Flying at low speeds, in a swept wing aircraft, in choppy weather you don't turn an aircraft at a roll rate of an extra300...

Do you have a copy of the Mesa SOP? Or are you all of a sudden an aerodynamicist? Until either of those conditions are met, I would "judge not, lest ye be judged."

-Goose

 

[SSDD]

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[xrated]

I flew on a Freedom flight from JFK to PHL last week and it was my first experience with the Freedom product, besides listening to them try to copy a clearance on the radio. In the beginning I gave the crew the benefit of the doubt. The Captain and the FO did a nice job with the PA welcoming us aboard and preparing us for T/O. We took off on our 29 minute flight to PHL and didn't hear another word from them. Not after 29 minutes and not after 45 minutes. Nothing at all. We held for a while at 8K and still nothing. After leaving the hold it seemed that we were being given a tour of the entire state. During those vectors while in a gentle half bank right turn the crew yanked the airplane to the left. You would have thought there was a MIG on our tail. All of this was done with 9 degrees of flaps extended in pretty choppy air. For sure they teach you, or at least review basic aerodynamics during groundschool. To finish the ride we ended with a very nice sideloaded touchdown. Winds were steady at 12 knots. When I walked off of the plane that Captain looked embarrassed and a little freaked out. Performance numbers aside, Delta should discontinue this brand based on customer service alone.

I dream of being a superior airman like PA44 one day. His knowledge and by the look of his profile, his extensive experience should inspire us all. Thanks for being you PA44, you're the best!! The Seminole Capt (LOL) turned hot shot CRJ rt seater has it all figured out. Dude, you are God's gift to the airlines....WOW, you are good.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Tap......

Amen to that..
Omg!!!!!!!!!!!1
:beer:

 

[pilot772]

Maybe they got an RA and they just saved your a$$ or ATC issued an immediate turn for traffic. Point is second guessing when your sitting in the back is pointless and childish. As far as the bad landing you should no from your "Vast experience" that we all make bad landings. Philly is a tough airport to fly in and out of in general, with the tower given you s- turns or warnings that you, "will pass just behind a heavy when landing 35."

 

[sktwstdfrk]

Also, only on Mesa...."window shades must be up for takeoff and landing."

 

[PA44Jockey]

Maybe they got an RA and they just saved your a$$ or ATC issued an immediate turn for traffic. Point is second guessing when your sitting in the back is pointless and childish. As far as the bad landing you should no from your "Vast experience" that we all make bad landings. Philly is a tough airport to fly in and out of in general, with the tower given you s- turns or warnings that you, "will pass just behind a heavy when landing 35."

Would you inform your pax if you had to use abnomal manuevers to comply with an RA?

Do you consider PHL a tough airport to use? I understand that it may not be your most favorite, but I don't think I would say that it is hard to use, or any different than flying into any other airport in the Northeast.

 

[pilot772]

Would you inform your pax if you had to use abnomal manuevers to comply with an RA?



Do you consider PHL a tough airport to use? I understand that it may not be your most favorite, but I don't think I would say that it is hard to use, or any different than flying into any other airport in the Northeast.

I probably would have informed pax if something like that happened, but it's not required. That being said while in sterile an announcement might not be the best of ideas, would just depend on the situation. As far as Philly haven't been there in a couple of years, but I was based there for 1.5 years. I believe it is one of the more unique airports to operate into.


rwy 26 is only like 5300 ft and the ILS is not allowed for cat d aircraft which the CRJ is considered. in spite of that ATC would regularly issue the ILS for 26 sometimes a tough catch when things get busy.

rwy 35 again pretty short for an RJ you will often get S-turns all the way down final. In fact have actually been approaching the river and given 27L for landing due to spacing. 35 was always good for about 1 go around per week.

Any way I don't think that PHL is real difficult to operate at but it can have its days.

the point being when sitting in back you have know idea what circumstances are taking place up front. Now maybe the pilots were idiots but maybe something happened that made the flight not routine. I for the most part give fellow professionals the benefit of the doubt.