Your welcome islandhopper. I'm normally not one to through stones at other pilot groups BUT, Hawaii has 3 airlines flying inter-island and does not NEED another carrier. Orenstien clearly has ulterior motives and cannot be considered a worthwhile competitor that would contribute anything to the state of Hawaii. His fares really aren't much lower than what people are paying now. I saw a $38.50 one way on Hawaiians web site. Coming over here to try and bully into a well served market at the expense of Hawaiian and Aloha is clearly predatory and if he side steps ALPA and hires scabs we need to make life as unpleasant as possible for anyone who thinks it's OK to start a career by trying to create a job undermining someone elses career.