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Mesa in Hawaii

Dan Roman

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Apparently Orenstein will be establishing a scab airline in Hawaii as he says it will "not be bound by Mesa's ALPA contract". If anyone thinks they would like to be an airline pilot and live in Hawaii, this is not the way to go. Many ALPA carriers are hurting right now, but casting your lot with a scab airline is a bad idea. You'll greatly limit your career choices if you work at this airline.
This company is in for one heck of a battle. Mark my words.
 
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Dan Roman said:
Apparently Orenstein will be establishing a scab airline in Hawaii as he says it will "not be bound by Mesa's ALPA contract". If anyone thinks they would like to be an airline pilot and live in Hawaii, this is not the way to go. Many ALPA carriers are hurting right now, but casting your lot with a scab airline is not the way to go. You'll greatly limit your career choices if you work at this airline.
This company is in for one heck of a battle. Mark my words.

SOURCE?
 

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here it is:

Mesa Sees Room To Experiment In Hawaii
2005-10-31 16:32 (New York)

Editor's note: Mesa Air Group CEO Jonathan Ornstein recently
spoke with Regional Aviation News about his strategy for forming a new
carrier in Hawaii.
Jonathan Ornstein, a successful regional airline executive, may be flying non-regional aircraft, Boeing [BA] 737s, in Hawaii if his new airline proves to be a success.
Sometime in the first quarter, Ornstein's Mesa Air Group [MESA]
will launch a new carrier tailored for the inter-island travel of the
Hawaiian Islands, serving five major cities.
It may not look anything like the current model of a regional
carrier. It may look like a throwback to the old independent, commuter
carriers. Or it could be the airline of the future. Much depends upon
how the new carrier is structured, its fleet selection and its initial
success.
Since the late September announcement (RAN, Oct. 3), Ornstein
and company have fleshed out their business plan and filed the
necessary paperwork with state authorities in Hawaii. Although the
carrier does not have a name (stay tuned; that is coming in about two
weeks), Ornstein last week put in place the leadership team for the
carrier. Greg Stephens, president of Mesa's Air Midwest subsidiary,
will be the chief operating officer of the new carrier. Mickey Bowman
will be its vice president of scheduling and planning, a position
similar to the one he has held with the holding company.
"We think the inter-island market has the potential for long-
term profits," Ornstein said. "We look at it as something fun to do for
the company. It is independent, which makes it a more interesting
operation.
"It is not as if we are putting the company at risk as we will
have partners who will share in the upside.
"The structure will depend upon how much money we raise and what
our partners want to do. We have to have the flexibility to fly the
aircraft we want at competitive prices," he said.
The new carrier will be a joint venture with Mesa, either as the
majority owner or a substantial minority partner and operator. Ornstein
is looking for less than a handful of investors. "We are looking for
quality people in Hawaii who can show us the ropes. My first choice
would be to get players, not deep pockets from New York. We feel
confident that will happen."
Ornstein decline to say how much start-up capital he is seeking
or what its first year operating budget will be.
He projects that it will tie up only 2.5 percent of Mesa's
capacity. "Because we have a very profitable operation on the mainland,
we can operate aircraft there for a very, very, very long time. We
think that with the 50-seaters, we won't do much worse than break
even."
If Mesa owns less that 50 percent of the joint venture, then the new carrier will not a unit under the Mesa Air Group umbrella. Perhaps more importantly, the Hawaiian carrier would not be bound by Mesa's contract with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA).
When the Hawaiian carrier begins operations, it will be flying
five or six 50-seat RJs on the five busiest routes between Hilo,
Honolulu, Kona, Lihue and Kahului. Currently, Aloha Airlines and
Hawaiian Airlines [HA] serve these routes. It will not be competing
with the established commuter operations of Island Air and Pacific
Wings, which both fly turboprop or piston-powered planes.

"We will transition to 90-seat or larger aircraft when they
become available - that may be 12 to 18 months down the road depending
upon market demand," Ornstein said, adding that the carrier may fly B737s if there is enough demand - and if it has the
labor flexibility.
"We know that the 50-seat is not always the most appropriate,"
he said. "We expect to get a pretty good deal for them in today's
environment.
"While our plan is currently to stay with the [Bombardier] CRJs, it would not be any stretch of the imagination that we will operate aircraft larger than a CRJ 900. If there is less competition, there is the chance we will operate larger aircraft."
To get the new carrier in the air, Ornstein said a reservation
system must be operational and local facilities need to be in place.
Mesa has been looking at reservations systems now in use by
several low-cost carriers as well as an upgrade of its Sabre [TSG]
system.
Currently, Mesa Airlines' Beechcraft 1900 operation, based in
Albuquerque, N.M., has its own Sabre system for reservations and a call
center. "We have the infrastructure in place that are residuals from
the old days."
As the new carrier looks to get off the ground, Ornstein said it
is talking to its current code-share partners - United Airlines [UALAQ], US Airways [LCC] and Delta Air Lines [DALQ] - to strike a code-share agreement with the new operation. "We will be developing our own brand. We will operate this with a code-share using this brand. We
will not operate as Delta Connection or United Express. It will be similar to how United's code-share with Aloha [works]."
The new brand name will give Mesa the flexibility to use it in
other areas should Ornstein decide to replicate the operations.

>>Contact: Jonathan Ornstein, Mesa, (602) 685-4010.<<

FOR MORE INFORMATION on this or any other story from Regional Aviation
News, October 31, 2005, please call our Client Service Department at
800/777-5006. [Copyright 2005 Access Intelligence, LLC. All rights
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F-in A bubba. This crap has got to stop!

I was eating breakfast today at a little cafe in AIEA and my phone rang it was another mesa source feeding me more gouge. This little old Hawaiian lady was drinking her coffee next to me and overheard my conversation. She walked up to me and pointed at JO's face on the front page on the Advertiser and said to me (I swear I had no idea who she was) so she says to me while I am on the phone, "Mesa is full of $hit!, they're just trying to bully the Aloha pilots"... I couldnt believe my ears, i put the cell phone down and gave her a big hug.
 
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I wonder if the MAPD grads will be going to this new company once its established instead of MAG...that'll be the perfect way to staff it.

~wheelsup
 

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Dan Roman said:
Apparently Orenstein will be establishing a scab airline in Hawaii as he says it will "not be bound by Mesa's ALPA contract". If anyone thinks they would like to be an airline pilot and live in Hawaii, this is not the way to go. Many ALPA carriers are hurting right now, but casting your lot with a scab airline is not the way to go. You'll greatly limit your career choices if you work at this airline.
This company is in for one heck of a battle. Mark my words.

Dan THANKS for starting this thread. If the mesa pilots wont stand up to JO again send him out here. He FUKCED UP big time this time around! He should have kept his mouth shut the IDIOT!
 

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IFlyFL410 said:
We're talking about J.O. That's all the source you need!

Anyone remeber the "hit" that was put out on Lorenzo?
 

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Your welcome islandhopper. I'm normally not one to through stones at other pilot groups BUT, Hawaii has 3 airlines flying inter-island and does not NEED another carrier. Orenstien clearly has ulterior motives and cannot be considered a worthwhile competitor that would contribute anything to the state of Hawaii. His fares really aren't much lower than what people are paying now. I saw a $38.50 one way on Hawaiians web site. Coming over here to try and bully into a well served market at the expense of Hawaiian and Aloha is clearly predatory and if he side steps ALPA and hires scabs we need to make life as unpleasant as possible for anyone who thinks it's OK to start a career by trying to create a job undermining someone elses career.
 

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Unfortunately its not Mesas fault nor is it JO's fault. Its the punks that actually sign up for that gig in Hawaii. ALPA isnt a requirement but definitely a huge part in helping make things better (I think) for the future (if there is such a thing). Pretty soon they will be traveling to air shows giving rides in the CRJ200 for 5$ a pop. Mesa always have some crazy idea or trick up their sleeve. To Be Continued................
 

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Well, thank god they're not going after WP. I can get some sleep tonight. But seriously, that press release was pure EVIL! At least they give his phone number so we can all call JO and wish him well.

EVIL.....pure evil.
 

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RJP said:
Well, thank god they're not going after WP. I can get some sleep tonight. But seriously, that press release was pure EVIL! At least they give his phone number so we can all call JO and wish him well.

EVIL.....pure evil.

I agree... Now what do we do to stop him? If he is pure evil then how do we stop him? The good book says, "And the TRUTH shall set you free" Time to get the word out. Tell everybody you can what we know about JO and Mesa.

If somebody isnt telling you "dude, you need help" then you havent told enough people. Here are the three "aviation story" writers for our two local papers. Every pilot out there that has got a minute today, tell them what you think. Right now they still think Mesa is this highly sucessful LCC. Give me a break! If enough people tell them the TRUTH maybe we can get a front page story on Sundays paper about how fukced up Mesa really is.

ALOHA.

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tell them what you think about Mesa. DO IT TODAY!!!
 
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