Mesa files ch11 bankruptcy

[Tweaker]

Hey hey, Reyney
"Delta cancelled the contract and disparaged Mesa'a reputation (maybe irreparably) A good example is the incorrect perception of pilots on this board. "

Uhh, ya. No one has any reason to feel negatively towards MEScAb. You are clearly emotionally invested there.

"In any case my point is this. Mesa is not what you may think (or may want to believe) either internally or externally. Many of us love this company and are determined to see that it survives. "

And there is the proof. A textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome. You have come to love your oppressor. Seek help.

How worn out are your kneepads, or for that matter your cock holster?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Then "living to fight another day" is the best option...

What about living to sue another day?:laugh:

 

[DASHDRIVER]

cranky flier has some intresting thoughts

http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/06/mesa-files-bankruptcy-looks-to-shrink-by-nearly-half/

He talked to MESA legal and they said the contract cancelation thing is unenforceable.

 

[Fltlvls]

...says the guy who seems unable to form an actual sentence, use proper punctuation, or even put a space between individual thoughts.

Ahhhh..... the grammar police..Thank god your here!!!!

 

[ePilot22]

cranky flier has some intresting thoughts

http://crankyflier.com/2010/01/06/mesa-files-bankruptcy-looks-to-shrink-by-nearly-half/

He talked to MESA legal and they said the contract cancelation thing is unenforceable.

If it's so advantageous for MESA to file BK, why did they wait so long? (Thinking out-loud, not asked directly at DASHDRIVER)

Right now, Mesa has 177 airplanes to its name. Incredibly, a whopping 52 of those are parked:
20 Beechcraft 1900 19 seat turboprops haven’t been used for a long time
3 Bombardier Dash-8 turboprops have joined them
17 Bombardier CRJ-200 50 seat jets are sitting in the desert
12 Embraer ERJ-145 50 seat jets are parked

It's not like they just parked them yesterday. Mesa's sh!t has been stinky for quite awhile.

Something doesn't add up.





eP.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

In all honesty I have no idea why they waited so long. Knowing how JO does business I imagine he can't stand the idea of a court telling what he can and can't do. That and BK court is expensive and he probably tried to put all his vendors over his knee first to see if he could get the saving he wants out side of legal proceedings.

This really will work out only in JO's advantage. He is going to be able to drop all the fifty seater's he is paying for but not flying, cut costs to his vendors, slash at the labor groups, keep his 70-90 seat flying and position himself for more at bottom of the industry costs.

Horrible, but brilliant.

Regards,

DD

And as a retort to people saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Ask any Wholly owned US Air carrier or AWAC guy or CC Air what contract was shaken in their faces when asked for concessions. Claims like, we aren't of the top of the pay scales by that far..." are pointless. Airlines across the country had to come down to your wages because your contract exists. Its not about what you do for the company or the partner or what your performance metrics are. We are all professionals and do the best we can. Its about what we do for each other. If everyone lifts and stands together we don't move backward. If one group lays down and dies we get dragged back with them.

 

[CX880]

I
This really will work out only in JO's advantage. He is going to be able to drop all the fifty seater's he is paying for but not flying, cut costs to his vendors, slash at the labor groups, keep his 70-90 seat flying and position himself for more at bottom of the industry costs.

Horrible, but brilliant.

Regards,
.

Mesa is over. Maybe not with this thing because it will be a hassle having to replace them but they won't get any more contracts when time is up. Not from Delta which has been in court with them for years, not from United which will only have 20 airplanes in April with them, and not from US Airways. The majors saw what cheap gets them.

 

[sniper]

Mesa is over. Maybe not with this thing because it will be a hassle having to replace them but they won't get any more contracts when time is up. Not from Delta which has been in court with them for years, not from United which will only have 20 airplanes in April with them, and not from US Airways. The majors saw what cheap gets them.

WRONG......

30 700s FOR ual

38 900s with another possibility of 37 more

and we do not know where GO Airlines will take them

if they come out of bk

 

[Metro752]

I wanna mustache ride!

 

[Popeye0537]

WRONG......

30 700s FOR ual

38 900s with another possibility of 37 more

and we do not know where GO Airlines will take them

if they come out of bk

UAL will pull them out with SKYW picking up whats left, USAIR will pull as many 900 out of service to reduce the airframes over 70 seat to comply with the agreement they signed with the pilot group.

Really, Go? You have like 3 aircraft out there and RAH couldn't make a profit running 70 seaters out there.

Mesa's done.

 

[brokedash]

WRONG......

30 700s FOR ual

38 900s with another possibility of 37 more

and we do not know where GO Airlines will take them

if they come out of bk

We know YV still has 20 700s under contract for UA, wether they get more or not depends on how desperate UA becomes for 70 seat feed, mind you YV may not stand a chance with the ongoing litigation over 700s.

Before learning of the US scope issues, I would have said that down the road YV might have a shot at more 900s, but with US also in financially bad shape and labor issues they might actually reduce 900s to appease labor concerns.

Go! won't go to far as long as there intra island only. If the ever land a codshare from the mainland or international destinations, they might have reason to get larger planes, but I don't see the fleet numbers themselves changing.

 

[Fltlvls]

UAL will pull them out with SKYW picking up whats left, USAIR will pull as many 900 out of service to reduce the airframes over 70 seat to comply with the agreement they signed with the pilot group.

Really, Go? You have like 3 aircraft out there and RAH couldn't make a profit running 70 seaters out there.

Mesa's done.

So tell us Mr.Aviation Expert...Has any of this been announced in a press release?

You sound like the national news in hopes of being the first to announce a breaking news story.Let's just sit back and watch what happens,or is that too difficult to do?

 

[Fltlvls]

We know YV still has 20 700s under contract for UA, wether they get more or not depends on how desperate UA becomes for 70 seat feed, mind you YV may not stand a chance with the ongoing litigation over 700s.

Before learning of the US scope issues, I would have said that down the road YV might have a shot at more 900s, but with US also in financially bad shape and labor issues they might actually reduce 900s to appease labor concerns.

Go! won't go to far as long as there intra island only. If the ever land a codshare from the mainland or international destinations, they might have reason to get larger planes, but I don't see the fleet numbers themselves changing.

I think it will depend on how desperate UA and US are for cash and who will take the carrot dangling in front of them in hopes of gaining a contract with either one.Just like Skywest and ExpressJet did.

Do you seriously think that either UA or US cares who flys for them?
The newbies starting to fly for UA proves my point.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Yessssss Post #154....................................Mesa sucks

 

[COOPERVANE]

Yessssss Post #154....................................Mesa sucks

 

[Fltlvls]

yessssss post #154....................................mesa sucks

congrats!!!...:d

 

[brokedash]

I think it will depend on how desperate UA and US are for cash and who will take the carrot dangling in front of them in hopes of gaining a contract with either one.Just like Skywest and ExpressJet did.

Do you seriously think that either UA or US cares who flys for them?
The newbies starting to fly for UA proves my point.

Oh, I'm sure they care. After all they seem to like the ones with 'deep' pockets that can pay to play. EX: ZW,RAH secured service with US by helping them finance the merger and OO gave UA around 80 mil. Now wether they care about the service being provided on those code share flights is another question entirely.

 

[BHopper88]

The only newbie is expressjet and really you have to look at a possible co/ua deal with expressjet getting their foot in the door. Skywest defered the payment they were due from ual, loaned them 80 plus million for secured flying/extending a contract for like 20 ac if I remember right. Besides skywest operates at times more daily flights than ual in their system. Now asa joins the fun too. Will be interesting to see if performance goes up in Dulles. Keep drinking that Mesa koolaid....oh yeah!

 

[B.T.Justice]

The newbies starting to fly for UA proves my point.

Like Mesa is suck a senior UAX carrier.....going on 6 years. You were able to come in with rock bottom rates and force AWAC and ACA out, but in the end it looks like UAL got what it paid for.

 

[B.T.Justice]

I love how everyone loves to BASH MESA.

AWAC gave Airways what 80 million just to get the flying
SKYWEST gave UAL 80 million to get the flying

Looks like you and Rene have short term memories...I wonder who started this pay to play stuff....I think it started in 2003 by, gosh I can't remember the name of that airline... oh ya, MESA Air.

From the Mesa bankruptcy docket page 12 item 35 -

The United Agreement was for 30 fifty seat aircraft with an expiration in April 2010, had reduced margins and included a $30 million payment by Mesa to United Airlines. The Delta Agreement was for 30 aircraft through November 2012 with an option to remove 8 aircraft by May 2009. Additionally, Mesa agreed to reimburse Delta for lease obligations on 30 Fairchild Dornier aircraft.

In case you forgot so quickly the Skywest money to UAL is not a "payment" but an 80 million dollar loan, with a very attractive interest rate.

Hey Rene - I hate it too when pesky facts get in the way of percieved reality....Lets not forget who started pay to play.